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#1 User is offline   wanoff 

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Posted 2013-December-01, 06:27



Recent IMPs deal.
♦10 led, East follows with 3.
What's the best line ?
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Posted 2013-December-01, 07:22

The only option i see so far is to find lho with honor doublton in spade, along with diamonds and club breaking nicely.
win the A diamond, A club, ruff one club, Q dimaond K diamonds and all the clubs. now A and another spade.

actually this doesnt really work since if he doesnt have the 10 spade, he can drop the K on the A, but on the other side it will work if east has the honor doublton and the K of hearts.
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Posted 2013-December-01, 07:27

The alternative is to play along cross ruff lines I think, starting ♦K, ♣AKQ, ♣ ruff, ♥ ruff, ♠A, ♥ ruff. You still need nice breaks.
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Posted 2013-December-01, 08:03

View PostWGF_Flame, on 2013-December-01, 07:22, said:

The only option i see so far is to find lho with honor doublton in spade, along with diamonds and club breaking nicely.
win the A diamond, A club, ruff one club, Q dimaond K diamonds and all the clubs. now A and another spade.

actually this doesnt really work since if he doesnt have the 10 spade, he can drop the K on the A, but on the other side it will work if east has the honor doublton and the K of hearts.


You're right in that trumps and clubs break.
Unfortunately even though East has the ♥K, he doesn't hold ♠Hx.
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Posted 2013-December-01, 10:16

View Postwanoff, on 2013-December-01, 08:03, said:

You're right in that trumps and clubs break.
Unfortunately even though East has the ♥K, he doesn't hold ♠Hx.


if he holds KQ or KX or QX and the K of heart i would have made, but also if he got Kxx Qxx or xxx or 10xx i make with no relation to the K of heart.
if he got K10x or Q10X i would go down if west will know to throw his honor on my Ace.
In can play the A of spade early which will make it practically imposible to throw the honor.
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Posted 2013-December-01, 12:33

the one I like is this:
ruff a club early and enter dummy with ♦K to run clubs.

if LHO has third trump you bank all on ♥K being third

If RHO has the third trump as looks from the lead however you overruff him leaving this:


Ruff a heart, cash the club and the diamond and hope RHO has ♥K and 3 spades or ♠Hx
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Posted 2013-December-01, 21:37

View Postwanoff, on 2013-December-01, 06:27, said:


Recent IMPs deal.
♦10 led, East follows with 3.
What's the best line ?
Without much hope, assuming both minors break favourably ....
Draw trumps. Cash ♣AKQ. Ruff a ♣. Lead a small ♠
If RHO has ♥K and doubleton ♠KQ or singleton ♠K/♠Q/♠T, then you are home.
If LHO has ♠KQT(x)(x) or doubleton ♠KQ or singleton ♠K/♠Q, then you are home.
If LHO rises with an honour from ♠KT or ♠QT, then you are home.
If LHO plays low without stress, then run the ♠ and later run dummy's ♠J hoping that LHO started with ♠Tx.
An expert LHO will play the ten from ♠QT, ♠ KT, or ♠Tx,. to give you guess
(If LHO plays a smooth ten, You should probably just play him for ♠Tx or ♠T singleton)
An expert LHO might even play low from ♠KQx. Just congratulate him :)
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Posted 2013-December-02, 08:33

Assuming the minors are breaking, draw trumps, cash clubs, ruff a club, ruff a heart and cash the last club, then this remains:

♠J874 in dummy and ♠A9♥AQ in hand. Now spade to the ace and another. It wins with ♠Hx in West or with ♠Hx in East together with the ♥K. It also wins with singleton ♠H in East.


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Posted 2013-December-02, 08:55

View Postlowerline, on 2013-December-02, 08:33, said:

Assuming the minors are breaking, draw trumps, cash clubs, ruff a club, ruff a heart and cash the last club, then this remains:
♠J874 in dummy and ♠A9♥AQ in hand. Now spade to the ace and another. It wins with ♠Hx in West or with ♠Hx in East together with the ♥K. It also wins with singleton ♠H in East.
In practice, lowerline may well be successful but if RHO lacks ♥K and has ♠Qx or better, then he can win the second ♠ to lead a ♥.
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Posted 2013-December-02, 11:14

View Postnige1, on 2013-December-01, 21:37, said:


Draw trumps. Cash ♣AKQ. Ruff a ♣. Lead a small ♠
If RHO has ♥K and doubleton ♠KQ or singleton ♠K/♠Q/♠T, then you are home.
If LHO has ♠KQT(x)(x) or doubleton ♠KQ or singleton ♠K/♠Q, then you are home.
If LHO rises with an honour from ♠KT or ♠QT, then you are home.
If LHO plays low without stress, then run the ♠ and later run dummy's ♠J hoping that LHO started with ♠Tx.
An expert LHO will play the ten from ♠QT, ♠ KT, or ♠Tx,. to give you guess
(If LHO plays a smooth ten, You should probably just play him for ♠Tx or ♠T singleton)
An expert LHO might even play low from ♠KQx. Just congratulate him :)


A good shot, which I'm pretty sure would have worked at the table.
What about following the same line but cashing the ♠A at trick 2 hoping for split honours? I know it would fail miserably here.
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Posted 2013-December-04, 06:32

View Postwanoff, on 2013-December-02, 11:14, said:

A good shot, which I'm pretty sure would have worked at the table.
What about following the same line but cashing the ♠A at trick 2 hoping for split honours? I know it would fail miserably here.


Thanks, my line :)
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Posted 2013-December-04, 06:42

It looks like the line in #3 works too providing declarer continues with a trump and a spade.
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Posted 2013-December-07, 14:11

View PostWGF_Flame, on 2013-December-04, 06:32, said:

Thanks, my line :)



Cashing A♠ will fail when clubs are worse than 4-3. Therefore, as it was mentioned playing spades is a texbook example and can provide an end play opportunity as well.
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