[chaos2k]

Matchpoints,none vul
N W S E
1♥ 2♠ 3♦ 4♠
Pass Pass 4NT??


what's 4NT means?
I like it's to play 4NT,anyone agree with me?

[Flame]

for me a 4NT here show good diamond and not as good second suit which could be 6D4C or 7D5C or 6 good D 5C, or it can be great diamonds with H supprt like 7D 3H. I expect partner to treat it as 6D4C and if i correct 5C to 5D he should understand i have Hearts too.

[chaos2k]

Scoring: MP



1♥2♠3♦4♠
P P 4NT 5♠
DBL P P P

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I dont know other tables biding, 5♠ dbl only 2down and 6♦ is laydown on the
lucky layout. we get a very bad score,i guess many N-S pairs play 5d or 6d
but we are lucky to get plus.. i play North hand and my p bid 4NT try to show
6+♦ and 4cards ♣ but if opp didnt overcall 5♠ i would have passed 4NT
and down 1.

[Flame]

if you understand its 6-4 you wouldnt pass 4NT and get to the right 5D...
6-4 is usually not enough at this position so i would expect more, 6-5 would be more like it, I dont like the 7-4 it wont do you much good here , and almost never best to play on clubs here, i htink your partner should have bid 5D instead of 4nt.

[han]

I play 4NT here as Flame decribes: 2-suiter with significantly longer diamonds (I don't have 4 hearts as I would have shown heart support earlier, probably using a support shift. I don't have 5-5 or 6-5 in the minors as I would bid 5C instead of 4NT).

To preempt mikeh: I expect my partner to read this correctly.

I don't think that it is completely rediculous to use 4NT here as "to play", but I would never expect an advanced or expert partner to make this bid without prior agreement.

I don't think that 6D is a fantastic slam, so I wouldn't mind missing it. The opponents did well to compete to 5S (and by guessing the club for only down 2).

[Fluffy]

I would take it as 6 keycard asking.

[Winstonm]

As a matter of frequency, when the opponents have bid and raised their suit it is better to use these NT bids as takeout of some sort - it's highly unlikely that when both opponents know what suit to lead that NT is exactly right. There may be an occassional hand that bites you, but overall you will be far ahead to assign different meanings in auctions such as: 1C-1S-X-2S-2N and the like.

IMO,

Winston

[P_Marlowe]

The meaning of 4NT depends on the meaning of 3D and if openers
Pass of 4S was forcing, but one thing is certain: It is not to play.

For me 4NT would show a strong hand, followed by 5D, a very strong
diamond one suiter, inv. to 6.

Marlowe

[chaos2k]

3♦ was game forcing in our method.so after 4♠ pass was forcing(yes i dont feel very happy to make a forcing pass like this hand)
i think should show ♦ support otherwise i could dbl 4♠
so i dont think 4NT was show 2 suiter,it must be try to play 4nt(after parnter's forcing pass).

[temp3600]

I play 4NT without jump in competition (and without a fit) as "choose a strain". So here, diamonds longer than clubs and heart tolerance. Ideal distribution : 0 = 2 = 6 = 5.

[mikeh]

Hannie, on Nov 20 2005, 03:14 PM, said:

I play 4NT here as Flame decribes: 2-suiter with significantly longer diamonds (I don't have 4 hearts as I would have shown heart support earlier, probably using a support shift. I don't have 5-5 or 6-5 in the minors as I would bid 5C instead of 4NT).

To preempt mikeh: I expect my partner to read this correctly. 

No need to preempt me here, Han 4N is a two suiter, with a 2 card discrepancy between the suits. I would not usually expect 7-4, especially a good 7 card suit and a weakish 4 card suit, since such holdings will usually play better in the 7-1 than the 4-3: and partner might prefer ♣ with 3=6=1=3 with say KJx in ♣.

I probably play 4N as keycard less frequently than any other poster, so there was little risk of that interpretation from me, and using it as natural in this sequence holds zero appeal and not much greater logic.