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Your p opens strong NT; Bidding plan?

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2006-October-14, 17:23

Scoring: IMP

1NT-(2NT)-DBL-(3C)
3NT-(p)-6H
How do you rate DBL followed by 6H on this hand?
(3NT should promise some extras and a good stop in Clubs, and probably also in Diamonds, ...but you can't be sure of this)
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Posted 2006-October-14, 18:56

I'd really, really like to hold the J of hearts to bid 6. The 4-loser hand should have some play for slam unless partner is hopelessly wasted in clubs, but QJxx, Kx, Axxx, AQx isn't going to be much fun.

I'd prefer not to have to double first, but having done so I would bid 5H only. strongly suggesting partner looks at his heart holding to judge a raise to 6.
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Posted 2006-October-14, 19:18

Winstonm, on Oct 14 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

I'd really, really like to hold the J of hearts to bid 6. The 4-loser hand should have some play for slam unless partner is hopelessly wasted in clubs, but QJxx, Kx, Axxx, AQx isn't going to be much fun.

I'd prefer not to have to double first, but having done so I would bid 5H only. strongly suggesting partner looks at his heart holding to judge a raise to 6.

is 5h really a trump quality ask in this situation and not a club control ask?

i don't like the initial double. other things seem saner 3h (if forcing) 4d (texas, if available), unusual/unusual cue if avaialable, etc. if i do double, i think i take 3n out to 4c (gotta be a cue) and try to find out more from there.
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Posted 2006-October-15, 00:11

Why did you X? That is a pointless action. Assuming that 2NT was for the minors, why not bid 3C to show a forcing H hand. If partner ou can cue Cs. If partner bids 3NT, you can bid 4S to show a very strong hand, and let partner judge it from there.
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Posted 2006-October-15, 03:28

Hi,

Do I really want to play 3Cx?
If the answer is no, bid 3C to show a strong
hand with hearts.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2006-October-15, 04:33

The double was to show a good hand.
We have agreement: 1NT-(2x)-3D is transfer to Hearts, but not sure this would apply over 1NT-(2NT) (and sometimes my partner forgets).
We don't have agreement of what 1NT-(2NT)-3C would be. (We also agreed that 1S-(2NT)-3C is a good hand with H, but probably partner with be clueless about 1NT-(2NT)-3C)
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Posted 2006-October-15, 06:40

i would proabably stayman then bid 5 asking partner about heart quality
or just bid 5
or transfer and then raise to 5
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Posted 2006-October-15, 17:57

Winstonm, on Oct 15 2006, 02:56 AM, said:

I'd really, really like to hold the J of hearts to bid 6. The 4-loser hand should have some play for slam unless partner is hopelessly wasted in clubs, but QJxx, Kx, Axxx, AQx isn't going to be much fun.

I'd prefer not to have to double first, but having done so I would bid 5H only. strongly suggesting partner looks at his heart holding to judge a raise to 6.

Very close.
Partner had something like QJxx, Kxx, Axx, AQx
A took the Spade lead in my hand and played T planning to finesse. Is that the baest play considering RHO has 5-5 in the minors (and at least one S)?
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Posted 2006-October-16, 03:34

kgr, on Oct 15 2006, 06:57 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Oct 15 2006, 02:56 AM, said:

I'd really, really like to hold the J of hearts to bid 6.  The 4-loser hand should have some play for slam unless partner is hopelessly wasted in clubs, but QJxx, Kx, Axxx, AQx isn't going to be much fun. 

I'd prefer not to have to double first, but having done so I would bid 5H only. strongly suggesting partner looks at his heart holding to judge a raise to 6.

Very close.
Partner had something like QJxx, Kxx, Axx, AQx
A took the Spade lead in my hand and played T planning to finesse. Is that the baest play considering RHO has 5-5 in the minors (and at least one S)?

With an unbalanced hand like the one you had, I would have bid 3. Bidding 6 over partner's 3NT is a gamble.
Anyway, 6 is a good contract. I would have taken the spade lead in dummy and played a heart to the queen. This allows you to pick up a singleton honor at your right and it prevents the guess when hearts are 2-2. If the first play in hearts goes small-small-Q-A and the second play in hearts goes T-small you take the (almost) marked finesse. If righty had Jx in hearts, lefty would have given him a ruff in spades when he was in with the A.

Steven
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