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RHO opens 3♥, you overcall 3♠, partner bids 4♥.
-What's the minimum hand for 4♥ rather than 4♠?
-What do you bid here?
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Posted 2007-February-18, 18:55
RHO opens 3♥, you overcall 3♠, partner bids 4♥.
-What's the minimum hand for 4♥ rather than 4♠?
-What do you bid here?
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Posted 2007-February-18, 18:58
minimum is about a reasonable opening hand with 3+ spades (or the equivalent in support points). I would equate it to the same minimum as 1S-(3H)-4H.
I would just bid 4S with this hand.
I would just bid 4S with this hand.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 04:06
The minimum is a hand that can envisage a slam as a possibility opposite a partner limited by the 3S overcall.
I agree with justin - I would just bid 4S here. We could be missing slam, but it needs a pretty perfect hand opposite.
I agree with justin - I would just bid 4S here. We could be missing slam, but it needs a pretty perfect hand opposite.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 04:16
cuebid 4h...you are joking yes......?
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Posted 2007-February-19, 07:55
FrancesHinden, on Feb 19 2007, 05:06 AM, said:
The minimum is a hand that can envisage a slam as a possibility opposite a partner limited by the 3S overcall.
I agree with justin - I would just bid 4S here. We could be missing slam, but it needs a pretty perfect hand opposite.
I agree with justin - I would just bid 4S here. We could be missing slam, but it needs a pretty perfect hand opposite.
I think this definition is too vague, at least to me. Give me a reasonable 10-count and I can probably construct a hand that would overcall 3S and makes slam. But I think that 4H shows a better hand than that. I think an opening hand that is somewhat suitable for slam is a more workable definition (though I imagine that in practice it is the same).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 08:02
Hmm...I can't help but find myself bidding 5♥ here.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 13:46
I'll bid 5♥ althou I don't like the like the lack of support from LHO.
Am I the only one to find double as a reasonable alternative to 3♠?
Am I the only one to find double as a reasonable alternative to 3♠?
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Posted 2007-February-20, 03:09
I wouldn't double because I wouldn't feel comfortable if it was left in, and because a double implies 4♠s rather than 5 and we may miss a 5-3 fit that way.
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Posted 2007-February-21, 16:03
So I bid 4♠, partner thinks about making another move but then just tables
♠Qxx ♥Ax ♦KJ9xx ♣Axx
I thought all bids were somewhat reasonable, but 6♦ is excellent, and spades break so 6♠ is OK. Our teammates bid 5♥ over 3♠ which provoked 5♠ ... 6♠
Should someone clearly bid more or differently or is this just unlucky guessing?
♠Qxx ♥Ax ♦KJ9xx ♣Axx
I thought all bids were somewhat reasonable, but 6♦ is excellent, and spades break so 6♠ is OK. Our teammates bid 5♥ over 3♠ which provoked 5♠ ... 6♠
Should someone clearly bid more or differently or is this just unlucky guessing?
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Posted 2007-February-21, 16:11
No one considered a forcing 4♦ over 3♠ followed by some sort of spade raise? Why play with your hands tied behind your back?
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Posted 2007-February-21, 16:16
Stephen Tu, on Feb 21 2007, 05:03 PM, said:
So I bid 4♠, partner thinks about making another move but then just tables
♠Qxx ♥Ax ♦KJ9xx ♣Axx
I thought all bids were somewhat reasonable, but 6♦ is excellent, and spades break so 6♠ is OK. Our teammates bid 5♥ over 3♠ which provoked 5♠ ... 6♠
Should someone clearly bid more or differently or is this just unlucky guessing?
♠Qxx ♥Ax ♦KJ9xx ♣Axx
I thought all bids were somewhat reasonable, but 6♦ is excellent, and spades break so 6♠ is OK. Our teammates bid 5♥ over 3♠ which provoked 5♠ ... 6♠
Should someone clearly bid more or differently or is this just unlucky guessing?
No one made a clear error. Sometimes you guess wrong.
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Posted 2007-February-21, 20:24
I'd like to bid 5♦ but I'm borderline weak and the suit is just poor. Nevertheless, I'm a bidder (sometimes too much 
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Posted 2007-February-22, 16:54
I am limited by my 3♠ call, since I didn't double or bid 4♠. Its certainly vague, but pard should have an opening bid and maybe a little extra.
I have a 6 loser hand. My ♥ void is pretty useful, although I'd rather have a 6th trump. The 5 level may be in jeopardy, but I think there's a lot more hands that we make 6 than go down in 5.
I'd try 5♦.
I have a 6 loser hand. My ♥ void is pretty useful, although I'd rather have a 6th trump. The 5 level may be in jeopardy, but I think there's a lot more hands that we make 6 than go down in 5.
I'd try 5♦.
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