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#21 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2007-March-01, 08:51

Well bid.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 08:58

cherdano, on Mar 1 2007, 09:51 AM, said:

Well bid.

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Posted 2007-March-01, 09:10

Pass. Partner is reopening with 18+, passing with 15 or less. Both OK.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 17:21

dake50, on Mar 2 2007, 01:10 AM, said:

Pass. Partner is reopening with 18+, passing with 15 or less. Both OK.

And with 16-17?
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Posted 2007-March-01, 18:25

The_Hog, on Mar 1 2007, 11:21 PM, said:

dake50, on Mar 2 2007, 01:10 AM, said:

Pass. Partner is reopening with 18+, passing with 15 or less. Both OK.

And with 16-17?

And with 9?

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True you might not make 4H opposite this hand, but the point is that you have a good hand facing a partner who is likely to have diamond shortness (and who is likely to have 5+ hearts even though you play 4-card majors).

This problem is not about point count and using point count won't help you solve it.

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Posted 2007-March-01, 19:24

Fred: doh! that's an obvious take-out dbl of 4♥ :)

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Posted 2007-March-01, 22:50

Playing four card majors these days, I raise because of Fred's reasoning, almost verbatim.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 23:50

The other thing to think about is how often a major is actually a 4 card suit. If you are bidding all 4 card suits up the line (exception perhaps for 4441s) then most of the time a major is actually a 5 card suit.

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Posted 2007-March-02, 07:13

jikl, on Mar 2 2007, 01:50 PM, said:

The other thing to think about is how often a major is actually a 4 card suit. If you are bidding all 4 card suits up the line (exception perhaps for 4441s) then most of the time a major is actually a 5 card suit.

Sean

Agreed. Majors are usually 5 carders except for distributions like 4-4-3-2 and 4-3-3-3 if you play it that way.
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Posted 2007-March-02, 07:23

I played about two sessions worth of 4-card majors (okay when I was a beginner I played it but I don't remember any hands from that and was more worried about other things *g) and had similar problems.

On the other hand I have played many sessions playing 4-card majors canape, meaning that partner very often has exactly 4, for example on a 2416-distribution, but I'd still bid 4H opposite that (see Fred's post).

In my opinion it's a problem that is a tricky part of the "4-card major but usually 5 anyway" systems, but not on the actual hand.
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Posted 2007-March-02, 11:09

I'm definitely late to the thread, but the topic question has one answer .... obvio :P

I've played a fair amount of strong-club oriented four-card majors, and even then I overbid by putting 4♥ on the table, most of the time before waiting the required ten seconds.
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