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#21 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2007-March-04, 18:36

jdonn, on Mar 4 2007, 06:46 PM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 4 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

I'm really amazed by all the 4S bidders. What? Partner bid 2S...

I mean wow, you need nothing for a slam. queen sixth of spades will make slam as long as partner has only 4 red cards (very likely), and that is nowhere near what a person needs to bid 2S.

winston said:

I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him.


Huh? Slam is cold opposite this hand.

I was about to make pretty much this exact same post till you beat me to it. I still agree with us both that I'm far more worried about missing a grand than not making slam, even if 1NT wasn't a psych.

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Posted 2007-March-04, 19:07

I bid 6 and partner had almost what Winston said. The full hand was something like:

Scoring: IMP

1 - (1N) - 2 - (2N)
6 - All Pass


Given that Qxxxxx xx xx xxx has good play for slam and given that the actual hand with the wasted K makes slam good, I think you need to just bid it. Splintering is not gonna help as how is partner suppose to evaluate he has anything near what you need.

The only solution we could come up with for finding grand (make partner Axxxxx without the K) would be to bid 5 exclusion RKCB 0314, then after a 5 bid, bid 5 to ask for the Q. That keeps you at game without the either, in small slam with the Q, and in grand with the A. Phew.
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Posted 2007-March-04, 19:10

Are we really sure 5C is exclusion? And I would be sure 4C is not a splinter, thats a normal bid with a 6-5 or 6-6 monster.
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Posted 2007-March-04, 20:29

Someone play the hand with a spade lead to the ace and a spade back. Gets a little dicey does it not? Looks to me like some entry issues to establish the club/heart squeeze.
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Posted 2007-March-04, 21:28

Fluffy, on Mar 4 2007, 03:14 PM, said:

I don't think there is any psycke here, 4 should be enough

enough? You think 4S could be set? I would bid 6S, risking a cold 7S (and going down for cold game only).
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Posted 2007-March-05, 05:46

hrothgar, on Mar 4 2007, 11:22 AM, said:

000002, on Mar 4 2007, 07:09 PM, said:

i don't know what is the meaning of "kemo sabe" in english,would anyone like to  explain?thanks


although such,i understand 5 better than 4.
the reason is 2 guarantee 6cards+,and length of :1/2/3+,means +<=4cards.
my english so poor,i have to use logical symbol to tell u.



sorry


regards 000002 :P

"kemo sabe" is an expression used in the old "Lone Ranger" radio shows.

The character "Tonto" was a Native American scout. He used this expression when addressing the Lone Ranger. There is a fair amount of debate about the origins of the expression. The following URL has a decent write up.

http://www.tcnj.edu/...nn/kemosabe.htm

i am reading now,with an electric-english-dictionary, seems a snail climbing slowly.

:D ;) :lol: :P


thank u


BTW,i ought to reciprocate, 5 is a special raising but 2honor trump.
because we can jump 4nt or 5minor(exclusive) to seek trump honor.
what is the truth of 5 leap?
an unbalanced hand,which is value for potential trump super-fit .

edit:
i forgot the key word---5 leap is a slam invitation---only need 2bidder's unbalanced hand .



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Posted 2007-March-05, 07:38

Good judgement there by the 6 bidders.

I wouldn't do it because I want pard to bid over 1NT whenever he has a decent suit. QJTxxx or KQJxx and out is enough for me :P
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Posted 2007-March-05, 08:48

Winstonm, on Mar 4 2007, 09:29 PM, said:

Someone play the hand with a spade lead to the ace and a spade back. Gets a little dicey does it not? Looks to me like some entry issues to establish the club/heart squeeze.

I don't think this would make on a trump lead (assuming we have no red suit 9s).

I seriously doubt they would be leading trumps on this auction though (as a more typical hand is good trumps and long hearts, ie AKxx AKJxxxx xx --- in which case the only lead one wouldn't want to make ever is a trump).
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Posted 2007-March-05, 09:07

that's why you ahve to bid 6 so fast, otherwise they could make a spade lead directing double :P
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Posted 2007-March-05, 10:32

If I can bid exclusion then I'd do that. I don't think I can on this auction, so I'll just bid 6.
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Posted 2007-March-05, 13:44

Late to the party here. But you suspect that the 2nt bidder has lots of clubs, so you can double 2nt first planning to bid 4c over the expected 3c bid, can't you ? Most likely partner will sign-off in 4s, now 5c has to be exclusion. All this only only if I think LHO is capable of psyching a 1nt bid, otherwise I'll settle for 6s hoping that partner wasn't doing something silly like bidding 2s with J8xxx and a King outside at favorable vulnerability (I've seen enough players, including the so-called good ones doing it in serious games, so please don't laugh). He'll then tell you that you should have expected the heart finesse to be off, so it'll be your fault then.
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Posted 2007-March-05, 13:47

Silly question:

You're red, they're white.

Partner opens 1 and RHO overcalls 1NT

What do you call with

JT98xxx
x
87
K32
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Posted 2007-March-05, 15:39

Good question. I dunno if I bid 2 or THREE :P
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Posted 2007-March-05, 19:45

Jlall, on Mar 5 2007, 09:48 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Mar 4 2007, 09:29 PM, said:

Someone play the hand with a spade lead to the ace and a spade back.  Gets a little dicey does it not?  Looks to me like some entry issues to establish the club/heart squeeze.

I don't think this would make on a trump lead (assuming we have no red suit 9s).

I seriously doubt they would be leading trumps on this auction though (as a more typical hand is good trumps and long hearts, ie AKxx AKJxxxx xx --- in which case the only lead one wouldn't want to make ever is a trump).

This is debatable - when the opps bid directly to a slam and your partner has overcalled 1N they ain't doin' it on overwhelming high card strength - if they need ruffs a trump is standout - if slam bidder has upteem diamonds and a spade fit, trump lead ain't so standout.

Still, I don't think a trump lead is not so out of the question, and I couldn't find a way to make it on a trump lead.
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