[Poky]

Assume you are playing some standard expert system where 4♣ shows 5M5♣.

IMP. All vul.

♠Qx
♥AK9x
♦x
♣AJ9xxx

(3♦) ??

Your bid is?

[helene_t]

I double and pass partner's 3♠. I could easily be convinced that pass or maybe 3NT or 4♣ is the percentage action. I don't believe in 5♣.

I think 4♣ should show clubs and an unknow major, 4♦ shows both majors. Or do you double with 5-5 majors, and use 4♦ for spades+clubs?

[whereagles]

dbl and correct a spade bid to clubs

luv ELC..

[Fluffy]

If I ca show 2 suiter then that's what I have: 4 ♣

[gwnn]

X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?"

[temp3600]

X. Several good things can happen.

[kenrexford]

In a first game together with a partner who has had a national championship win, presumably talented, she doubled with a hand like this, and we ended up in the equivalent for this hand of 4♠ on a 4-2 fit. I bid 4♠ directly because my suit was AQJx and, therefore, playable opposite honor doubleton. 4♠ made, the only game that made.

Just one hand, not remotely persuasive as an argument, but it seemed logical to double and live with the spade decision. If advancer has poor spades and plans to bid game, advancer will usually temporize when possible. If 4♠ is bid and is a poor contract, such is life in preemptville.

[Gerben42]

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X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?"

Who do you mean? I usually ask what would F/N do...

[000002]

i vote 3♥.

surplus counts are 20total,pard has most posibility hold 10Hcps and 4432/4333/5332 shape.
if he hold a hand as below:
AXXXX
QXX
QXX
QX
apparently 4♥ better than 4♠ even pard hold 5cards ♠.

if he has 6cards ♠ and 3cards ♥,he shall bid 3♠ then back 4♥ unless he has 8Hcps only.
if he has 5cards ♠ and 3cards ♥ and 13up Hcps,he shall bid 3♠ then cue bid.
if he has 4cards ♣ and 3cards ♥,5♣ is a bad contract unless he hold perfect 10counts.and it's most impossible to hold 4+cards ♣

to overcall 3♥, maybe we will lost a pretty slam, but we'll bid a best game as we can.


regards 000002

[Apollo81]

4♣, as described by the OP. I might bid 4♣ anyway, although it would be tough between that and double.

[bid_em_up]

Poky, on Mar 7 2007, 04:41 AM, said:

Assume you are playing some standard expert system where 4♣ shows 5M5♣.

IMP. All vul.

♠Qx
♥AK9x
♦x
♣AJ9xxx

(3♦) ??

Your bid is?

I guess the question is, what does X followed by 4C over partner's 3S show in your methods?

[gwnn]

Gerben42, on Mar 7 2007, 03:33 PM, said:

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X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?"

Who do you mean? I usually ask what would F/N do...

Well, F/N didn't write such a great book as "Partnership bidding at bridge", so it's harder to tell.

[the hog]

Most posters didn't read the initial post. 4C shows a 5 card Major and 5C.

I pass.

4C for me is non Leaping Leaping Michaels 5/5. I am tempted to treat my H suit like a 5 carder though, so it is very close. I would't bid 4C even if it were natural - it is a nothing bid! It by passes a very likely game contract for your side - 3NT. and it is not game in its own right, hence a lot of players have given up the natural 4C bid to play it as a 2 suiter. Anyway this C suit is nowhere near good enough for a 4C bid, even IF the bid were natural.

X is absurd. The doublers deserve their 4-2 fit. Whereagles, you can try to bid 4C over your partner's 4S, but I don't think it will work.

[HeartA]

Pass? to pessimistic and is out,
3H? I would never overcall a 4-card suit at 3-level.
3N? It has to be natural and to play. Unless I am crazy, I would never bid NT with stiff (and small) diamond.
5C? I wouldn't do that before consulting with my pd.

That leaves dbl and 4C. Over my dbl, if pd bids 3S, I will "correct" to 4C, hopefully pd would not take it as double-and-bid hand; If my pd bid 4S, I would have to pass. I will also pass my pd's 3NT.

4C is the least evil bid.

[the hog]

HeartA, on Mar 8 2007, 12:50 PM, said:

Pass? to pessimistic and is out,
3H? I would never overcall a 4-card suit at 3-level.
3N? It has to be natural and to play. Unless I am crazy, I would never bid NT with stiff (and small) diamond.
5C? I wouldn't do that before consulting with my pd.

That leaves dbl and 4C. Over my dbl, if pd bids 3S, I will "correct" to 4C, hopefully pd would not take it as double-and-bid hand; If my pd bid 4S, I would have to pass. I will also pass my pd's 3NT.

4C is the least evil bid.

Another one who didn't read the original post.

[awm]

What is the system bid with a good hand including long clubs and no diamond stopper? This seems like a pretty common hand type in general, but 4♣ seems to be unavailable to show it.

Anyways it seems like I'm going to be forced to lie here. I'd rather sell this hand as "hearts and clubs" than any of the other unappealing options, so I suppose I'll go with 4♣ knowing this could lead to a 4-3 heart fit pretty easily. Still it seems better to play in a 4-3 heart fit than the 4-2 spade fit I could easily reach by doubling, or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥.

[cherdano]

I would double with a partner who does not jump to 4♠ with a stopperless 4(32)4.

[HeartA]

The_Hog, on Mar 8 2007, 12:55 AM, said:

Another one who didn't read the original post.

I believe I did.

[000002]

awm, on Mar 8 2007, 01:28 AM, said:

What is the system bid with a good hand including long clubs and no diamond stopper? This seems like a pretty common hand type in general, but 4♣ seems to be unavailable to show it.

Anyways it seems like I'm going to be forced to lie here. I'd rather sell this hand as "hearts and clubs" than any of the other unappealing options, so I suppose I'll go with 4♣ knowing this could lead to a 4-3 heart fit pretty easily. Still it seems better to play in a 4-3 heart fit than the 4-2 spade fit I could easily reach by doubling, or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥.

or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥.

which hand he hold to raise 4♥ with 2card ♥ only?


regards 000002