[whereagles]

You don't have, but pard has ^^

[Echognome]

I thought about this hand and I wondered if the following construction was possible:

QJTxxx
AQx
AKQ
A

Tough to know how this hand is supposed to bid.

[mikeh]

Echognome, on Mar 14 2007, 06:31 AM, said:

I thought about this hand and I wondered if the following construction was possible:

QJTxxx
AQx
AKQ
A

Tough to know how this hand is supposed to bid.

good point

My suggestion is that this hand should bid 6♣

It requires partner to hold AK(x)(x) of trump and the ♥K in order for grand to be on, and no responder would miss grand with that hand after 6♣.... I think

Alternatively, this hand could pass 3♣, but I doubt that I could bring myself to do that.

[whereagles]

This ain't exact science.

QJTxxx
AQx
AKQ
A

should be happy with 6♠.

[Fluffy]

if you only miss trumps you hae an easy 5NT

[HeartA]

whereagles, on Mar 14 2007, 09:52 AM, said:

This ain't exact science.

QJTxxx
AQx
AKQ
A

should be happy with 6♠.

totally agree. you can't expect pd to have SAK AND HK. Without all these three cards, you would need at least a finesse to make grand (spades or hearts).

[HeartA]

Fluffy, on Mar 14 2007, 10:00 AM, said:

if you only miss trumps you hae an easy 5NT

Well, SAK is not enough for grand.

[pclayton]

Echognome, on Mar 14 2007, 03:31 AM, said:

I thought about this hand and I wondered if the following construction was possible:

QJTxxx
AQx
AKQ
A

Tough to know how this hand is supposed to bid.

This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener.

[Echognome]

pclayton, on Mar 14 2007, 09:37 PM, said:

This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener.

I'm not saying I disagree with you. Or namely, that the hand above would make a grand slam try. My goal was to try to construct a hand consistent with the bidding where 7♠ wouldn't make.

I did find your comment amusing though in that the last time I checked:

AQJxxx AQxx KQx A

is a 3 loser hand.

The difference being which A you require partner to have in addition to his major suit kings: diamonds or spades?

[pclayton]

Echognome, on Mar 14 2007, 11:23 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 14 2007, 09:37 PM, said:

This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener.

I'm not saying I disagree with you. Or namely, that the hand above would make a grand slam try. My goal was to try to construct a hand consistent with the bidding where 7♠ wouldn't make.

I did find your comment amusing though in that the last time I checked:

AQJxxx AQxx KQx A

is a 3 loser hand.

The difference being which A you require partner to have in addition to his major suit kings: diamonds or spades?

Yeah; didn't notice that; touche!

[han]

Here is the full hand plus bidding:

Scoring: IMP

2C-p-2D-3C
3S-4C-5S-p
6H-p-6S-all pass

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This is probably an interesting auction for experienced partnerships, and with Josh (with whom I think I've played only a couple of times) I really had to guess the meaning of 6H. Obviously we had no club losers, and I thought it was likely that he was missed first round diamond control.

The discussion suggests that Josh overbid, that he shouldn't be looking for three useful cards (spade king, heart king and diamond ace). However, if he really had AQJxxx AQJ AKQx -, maybe he should just bid the grand? I need to have more than 1 useful card for the jump to 5S.

It is "standard" to cuebid 1st round controls up-the-line at this level. Maybe it is superior to play the structure that mikeh suggests, but without discussion isn't it normal to expect partner to miss the diamond ace in this auction?

Further comments are appreciated.

[mikeh]

well done for being on the same wavelength, but I have to confess I don't understand why Josh would not bid 6♣.

He is missing so much that even possession of the ♦A is not enough... I'd expect (assuming partner held the ♦A):

6♣ 6♦ 6♥ would be the 'normal' way to try for grand with that 'horrible' hand... it is, after all, a minimum on the auction.

[marcD]

Pass for now . I'll pull partner's dbl to show a good hand (with 5S although 4S may be enough). If partner does not dbl (presumably because he has a void and a very offensive hand) i will cue bid my K of heart to try to reach 7S

[whereagles]

I think Josh was a bit optimist with 6♥. I think you really need the ♦A for that bid.