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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2007-June-06, 15:47

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After the ♥Q was led and ducked all North needed was ♣2-1 for +750, alas!, not today, and that turned out -1700 instead, anyone to blame?
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Posted 2007-June-06, 16:05

South 100%
West 100%
North 50%
Bad luck 200%

Explanation:
- South passes the dbl with that junk? Was he sleeping or something?
- West has an obvious ♥Q overtake and shift.
- North for being guillable. With his hand, he should never have trusted South's pass.
- Bad luck: doh!
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Posted 2007-June-06, 16:44

You gave north the LEAST?!?!?! good grief!
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Posted 2007-June-06, 17:04

jdonn, on Jun 7 2007, 05:44 AM, said:

You gave north the LEAST?!?!?! good grief!

If you read his post Josh, you will see that he is being facetious. 3NT is inventive, but leaving it in after the double is foolish. South should take part of the blame for not having the Q of C.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 17:14

The_Hog, on Jun 6 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 7 2007, 05:44 AM, said:

You gave north the LEAST?!?!?! good grief!

If you read his post Josh, you will see that he is being facetious. 3NT is inventive, but leaving it in after the double is foolish. South should take part of the blame for not having the Q of C.

I'm still not seeing it.... makes sense since I have no sense of humor whatsoever.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 18:11

North 1000%, South 0%. Btw, if clubs had been 2-1 defenders wouldn't have started with a passive defense, they would have started their aces.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 18:24

I can't imagine why North would duck the opening lead! Eek.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 18:29

Echognome, on Jun 6 2007, 06:24 PM, said:

I can't imagine why North would duck the opening lead! Eek.

I think Fluffy meant West ducked.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 18:45

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

I'd be 'mildly' concerned looking at a side void.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 18:56

pclayton, on Jun 6 2007, 06:45 PM, said:

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

That would be baaaad IMO. South has no idea what North is worried about.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 19:33

cherdano, on Jun 6 2007, 07:56 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 6 2007, 06:45 PM, said:

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

That would be baaaad IMO. South has no idea what North is worried about.

Yeah, I never have a friggen clue how the partner of the doubt is supposed to know when to run when he has a little something. Call me crazy, but it's when I have doubt about my contract that I would rather not play it redoubled, even when partner thinks it will make.
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Posted 2007-June-06, 19:54

3N sucks but could work, but sitting the double out with the north hand is complete and utter suicide
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Posted 2007-June-07, 02:27

cherdano, on Jun 7 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

North 1000%, South 0%. Btw, if clubs had been 2-1 defenders wouldn't have started with a passive defense, they would have started their aces.

West had no cleu where ♣Q was when he ducked first trick
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Posted 2007-June-07, 02:30

Jlall, on Jun 7 2007, 01:54 AM, said:

3N sucks but could work, but sitting the double out with the north hand is complete and utter suicide

This maybe means that you should always double this kind of 3NT, a bad lead or a bad switch might lead to a disaster, but then this won't happen in 4♣.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 03:29

North was on the next great narcotic of our time. What on earth could East be doubling a vulnerable 3NT bidder on? East knows that North's long, strong minor suit isn't going to run. North should be aware of this too and get the BLEEP out of there.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 11:53

Fluffy, on Jun 7 2007, 03:30 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 7 2007, 01:54 AM, said:

3N sucks but could work, but sitting the double out with the north hand is complete and utter suicide

This maybe means that you should always double this kind of 3NT, a bad lead or a bad switch might lead to a disaster, but then this won't happen in 4♣.

No this is not the case. Bridge is more complicated than poker. It's not "if he is going to fold 100 % of his hand range in this spot obv I should always raise."

If you "always" double north may have 9 toppers like hes supposed to and 3 suits stopped or all the suits stopped. South may have a good hand redouble to tell partner not to run. It's not like north will always have a void in a suit, a non running anchor suit, and only 8 toppers if his suit did run. Just because I advocate north running with this hand does not mean I would always run.

Besides talking about a theoretical psyche of a double is prety useless when trying to decide what to do at the table. No one psyches this double. North made a bad bid and then was stubborn and refused to run even when faced with a HUGE number.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 12:30

pclayton, on Jun 6 2007, 08:45 PM, said:

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

I'd be 'mildly' concerned looking at a side void.

North doesn't have a doubt redouble. North has a 4♣ bid.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 14:18

Fluffy, on Jun 7 2007, 02:27 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jun 7 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

North 1000%, South 0%. Btw, if clubs had been 2-1 defenders wouldn't have started with a passive defense, they would have started their aces.

West had no cleu where ♣Q was when he ducked first trick

Yes but if LHO doubles and doesn't lead an ace, there is a good chance he has a stopper in all suits (i.e., without a stopper in some suit he might start with an ace).
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Posted 2007-June-07, 14:23

What should North have overcalled?

2♣?

Double, then bid some number of clubs?
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Posted 2007-June-07, 23:06

I cannot give South any heat for passing. What if Pard had Q of clubs?
As for North, I know I do not have solid clubs and it is generally a good rule to trust your opps in these types of auctions.
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