[Arsen]

This topic may seem ridiculous but i feel its necessary to be sounded somewhere. I thought Forum is more suited rather than Abuse " I was told by one of the yellows that this is to be addressed to (CLUB)" but the one who is in question the manager of the club therefore seemed useless.

On 24th of June I was removed from a tourney for asking opps for their system to which they would not reply except in private chat that "i should bid" to me after much delay.

I was removed from the tourney for insisting that they announce. What is the policy for this when the TD spams that players must announce system at beginning of each and every round?

I would appreciate opinions.

[sceptic]

I would kcik ass and send to abuse, abuse of power is as bad as abuse with words

I doubt I would get very good odds on guessing which club

[1eyedjack]

It sounds like an unpleasant experience but I favour a regime in which BBO stands back entirely from the operation of PRIVATE clubs, and let them run themselves entirely in isolation of any BBO supervisory capacity. If you don't like it, just leave the private club.

This is purely my personal opinion, mind.

[inquiry]

1eyedjack, on Jun 24 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

It sounds like an unpleasant experience but I favour a regime in which BBO stands back entirely from the operation of PRIVATE clubs, and let them run themselves entirely in isolation of any BBO supervisory capacity. If you don't like it, just leave the private club.

This is purely my personal opinion, mind.

I agree and disagree... THere are a very limited number of private clubs. If they behave wrong, they need to be "corrected." The problem described here, however, is more of a director issue than a private club one. I see this behavior by TDs everyday.

[BebopKid]

TD's that don't follow their own Tournament rules should lose their ability to be TD's. Is that something BBO can regulate?

I have also noticed that pairs that do not announce their system at round start, usually do not reply to questions.

I would ask the TD to replace my opps.

But try not to get too upset, there are many idiots out there; we can't fix them and shouldn't waste our time worrying about them.

[inquiry]

BebopKid, on Jun 24 2007, 04:42 PM, said:

TD's that don't follow their own Tournament rules should lose their ability to be TD's. Is that something BBO can regulate?

I have also noticed that pairs that do not announce their system at round start, usually do not reply to questions.

I would ask the TD to replace my opps.

But try not to get too upset, there are many idiots out there; we can't fix them and shouldn't waste our time worrying about them.

BBO is quick to give TD rights to someone wanting to run free tournaments. All they need is BBO experience (some number of months/log ins/hands played) and a CLEAN record with abuse. TD experience is not a requirement.

BBO is also quick in pulling TD rights from a TD who abuses being a director. However, the abuse has to be pretty obvious. TD get to set up their rules as long as they advertise them.

[jillybean]

I think this demand to ‘announce your system and carding at the start of each round’ is a little absurd. Many partnerships in tournaments are casual, selected from the partnership desk. By comparison, regular pairs playing systems that are more complex are usually very good at announcing their methods.
I see no benefit in making everyone give a cursory explanation of ‘sayc, std carding’

[Arsen]

I agree with Jill that as it was really little absurd however my point is not "announcing or not announcing" I was removed from tourney just because I wanted to "follow" the RULES of that particular tourney that have been "spammed" on each and every round repeatedly.

Your interest appreciated.

[jillybean]

Arsen you have my sympathy there, its crazy.

[Gerben42]

Even with a pickup partner for a tournament you will have to decide on system and carding, so I think it is very reasonable as a service to your opponents (Full disclosure!) to announce what you have agreed. Even though in the USA people will play "sayc, std. carding" in many countries what you call standard is non-standard or even alertable.

Just a simple thing, a 2♣ opening. In the USA it is standard that this is the strongest opening bid, in France it is any SemiGF. In Poland it shows an intermediate hand in Clubs. All by a simple agreement of "standard national system, pd?"...

P.S. I think you were incorrectly removed from the tourney.

[tammyd47]

As a TD myself, I know how important it is to set rules that you plan to enforce. Enforcement should apply to all players regardless of status (e.g. yellow, star, expert, beginner, personal friend, etc.) When a player asks his/her opponents to comply with the rules and they refuse to do so, then the TD has no other alternative than to come to the table ande give offending player (s) an opportunity to comply. If they still refuse, then THEY should be removed, not the player that requested compliance.

The notion that a TD of a "private club" can bend his/her own rules doesn't make sense. Rules are rules to be followed by all members of the tourney. Obviously, not all players follow the rules. Usually this doesn't matter unless their opponents request them to. Then all bets are off and compliance should be mandatory.