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Vegas Hand 3

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Posted 2007-June-20, 19:38

white/red

Qx
Kxx
AKJTxx
xx.

1S on your right, you bid 2D, LHO bids 3D(limit raise 3+ trumps), partner bids 4D, RHO bids 4S. Do you or don't you?
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:09

If it was you who bid 2 and partner knows your 2-level overcalling style, I would pass. If he doesn't, I would bid 5.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:22

5
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:25

Color me yellow.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:41

5D as he had a bid of 3S available too so typically he holds DQxxx (given overcaller's D), some modicum of distribution and one control card.

They almost certainly make 4S - so let's make them guess at favourable...where we are likely to go for 300 or 500
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:01

Looks like 500 to me. I'd do it at MPs but not at IMPs.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:31

Apollo81, on Jun 20 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

Looks like 500 to me.  I'd do it at MPs but not at IMPs.

I don't know if this follows, I agree it's 500 or 800 most likely so you have to weigh beating 4S against them bidding 5S and going down. If you think the latter is more likely it makes sense to bid.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:32

Yes. I would double.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:50

pass
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Posted 2007-June-21, 01:18

My hand seems pretty close to the expected hand. A six card suit is not unheard of for a two-level overcall, I have no singletons or voids, I have some defense outside the suit. Seems fairly clear to pass.

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Posted 2007-June-21, 01:24

5 definitely, they are short enough in diamonds that they will often bid 5 anyway in my opinion. I think it's clear to take advantage of the vulnerability, and I doubt we are beating them (partner bid 4 not 3). Also if they bid 5 and have just 9 spades they will probably misguess the spade queen now.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 02:09

Jlall, on Jun 20 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jun 20 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

Looks like 500 to me.  I'd do it at MPs but not at IMPs.

I don't know if this follows, I agree it's 500 or 800 most likely so you have to weigh beating 4S against them bidding 5S and going down. If you think the latter is more likely it makes sense to bid.

That says that bidding 5D is playing RHO's game (poker). Pass.

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Posted 2007-June-21, 02:35

I would pass
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Posted 2007-June-21, 03:54

I don't think I promised this offensive a hand, 5. (I don't expect to make my Q on defense so it's as if it was not in my hand at all)
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Posted 2007-June-21, 04:30

This is a textbook 2 overcall, I don't have anything to add.

Thoe who overcall with junk and 5 cards often might need to say something else, but I don't
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Posted 2007-June-21, 04:54

Fluffy, on Jun 21 2007, 07:30 PM, said:

This is a textbook 2 overcall, I don't have anything to add.

Thoe who overcall with junk and 5 cards often might need to say something else, but I don't

nicely said.

Easy pass.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 05:05

Pass, 5D may work, but we most likely
have a fair chance of beating it, and partner
can still bid 5D.

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Posted 2007-June-21, 05:28

1)I do believe in fairy tales :) but,
2) I won't sacrifice for 500+ when there's a small chance of nailing them. In IMP's you'll win 3-4 IMP's and lose 12 if they go down in 4, so if the chance for 4
to drift one off is bigger than 20%, the sacrifice doesn't worth.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 06:09

I'm fairly confident I'd pass without thinking hard at the table, on the basis that I've got exactly what I've shown by 2D, and I'm fairly balanced in context.

Partner is still there, however, when I don't double he is allowed to save.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 07:53

Jlall, on Jun 20 2007, 11:31 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jun 20 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

Looks like 500 to me.  I'd do it at MPs but not at IMPs.

I don't know if this follows, I agree it's 500 or 800 most likely so you have to weigh beating 4S against them bidding 5S and going down. If you think the latter is more likely it makes sense to bid.


They will double 5 more at IMPs than at MPs, where they are worried that 500 wont be worth much. I think this hand depends a little bid on your style. If you're the rock in your partnership then it seems like you just have your 2 bid and can pass, but if you make a lot of lead directors then you have extra offense and maybe should be bidding.
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