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QJT9xxx
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You open 1H 2nd seat red/red, partner bids 1S.
Q1: Do you agree with 1H?
Q2: What do you do now?
Vegas Hand 4
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:25
2♣. 7th heart makes this worth an upgrade.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:26
2♥. The 1♠ bid did nothing for me, so I'm not going to make 3 bids without further encouragement from partner.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 20:37
Inclined to bid 2H because although 2C helps partner to evaluate with CQ, his most likely rebid would be 2S, after which my 3H sounds like a 17 count 64; as he bids 3NT on his 7/8 count and I convert to 4H losing the 4 tricks (or so for which I was booked)...
Nothing about the 1S reply thrills me, and the feature of my hand is the routine in H & 7th. Note if you retain the distribution but make it void QJT9xxx xx AKQx so that I hold an 8 tricker in H it is a whole different ballgame
Nothing about the 1S reply thrills me, and the feature of my hand is the routine in H & 7th. Note if you retain the distribution but make it void QJT9xxx xx AKQx so that I hold an 8 tricker in H it is a whole different ballgame
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:05
I've been playing strong club for years in my reg partnership so in that I would open 1 and rebid 3. I really do not know what to do with this in std....1-2 seems like not enough, 1-3 seems like a misdescription. I guess I'd open 4.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:40
Apollo81, on Jun 20 2007, 10:05 PM, said:
I've been playing strong club for years in my reg partnership so in that I would open 1 and rebid 3. I really do not know what to do with this in std....1-2 seems like not enough, 1-3 seems like a misdescription. I guess I'd open 4.
heh, interestingly my LHO (mike passell) who I play strong club with commented afterwards that it was a good hand for strong club. I agree that 3H is very attractive (auto) in a strong club.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:45
2H
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Posted 2007-June-21, 01:41
btw prefer to open this hand 4H.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 02:31
I'd rebid 2♣ as I'm happy to bid 3♥ over 2♠.
Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive.
Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 02:37
cardsharp, on Jun 21 2007, 03:31 AM, said:
I'd rebid 2♣ as I'm happy to bid 3♥ over 2♠.
Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive.
Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive.
You're probably not going to be happy if you end in 2C. And you're very unlikely to convince partner to let you play in 4H when he has a stiff or void and a club fit that raises to 3C. I know every bid has its risks but I don't understand the gains of 2C.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 02:38
2♥ now, but I would've opened 4♥...
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Posted 2007-June-21, 03:09
yeah 2♥. no need to encourage partner after his expected spade bid, and hopefully he'll evaluate his hand less favorably on presumed ♥ shortness. Limited bid systems are great for hands like this with good playing strength and fewer points.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 03:59
What Free said.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 04:27
I Agree with 1♥, now I'd bid 2♥ but 4 is tempting.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 04:50
I see no problems with 2 Club. And after 2 Diamond or 2 Spade from pd I will bid 4 Heart. Does this show 6-4? 7-5? Something else?
But otoh: When will 2 Club ever gain anything? So 2 Heart for now.
But I hadn´t been there, I had bid 4 Heart my first turn.
But otoh: When will 2 Club ever gain anything? So 2 Heart for now.
But I hadn´t been there, I had bid 4 Heart my first turn.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 05:07
Q1: Sure, what else?
AK in a side suit does not really look like a preempt
Q2: 2C
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AK in a side suit does not really look like a preempt
Q2: 2C
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Posted 2007-June-21, 05:38
1. 1♥ OK, 4♥ may work too.
2. 3♥. This is a ♥ hand, and i have 8 tricks in a ♥ contract
2. 3♥. This is a ♥ hand, and i have 8 tricks in a ♥ contract
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Posted 2007-June-21, 06:13
1H on the first round looks obvious.
Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid.
Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work.
Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid.
Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 07:13
FrancesHinden, on Jun 21 2007, 09:13 PM, said:
1H on the first round looks obvious.
Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid.
Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work.
Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid.
Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work.
I would agree with you with most (all) 6-4 hands, but this is 74 with a real stable major suit: There is a borderline where to hide the 4 card minor. For me this hand passed the line.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 07:28
Jlall, on Jun 20 2007, 08:39 PM, said:
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You open 1H 2nd seat red/red, partner bids 1S.
Q1: Do you agree with 1H?
Q2: What do you do now?
You open 1H 2nd seat red/red, partner bids 1S.
Q1: Do you agree with 1H?
Q2: What do you do now?
Perfectly reasonable 1H opening.
2H rebid.
We're looking at 3 controls when we need 7 for game and pd just downgraded Our hand. In addition, our hand has no Asymmetric Guards to worry about- We don't mind putting it down as Dummy in 3N (the most likely game ATM if pd has 12+ points).