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1NT-P-2♦(Transfer)-P-
2♥-P-2♠(5♥/4♠, G-invit)-P-
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Pass seems right with a minimum.
So, what's the difference between 3♠ and 4♠?
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Posted 2007-June-27, 23:10
kenrexford, on Jun 27 2007, 11:11 PM, said:
1NT-P-2♦(Transfer)-P-
2♥-P-2♠(5♥/4♠, G-invit)-P-
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Pass seems right with a minimum.
So, what's the difference between 3♠ and 4♠?
2♥-P-2♠(5♥/4♠, G-invit)-P-
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Pass seems right with a minimum.
So, what's the difference between 3♠ and 4♠?
3 ♠ = It's your round so cough up if you want me to get you anything when I'm dummy.
4 ♠ = Relax it's my round.
Alternatively, 3 ♠ could show 4 ♠ and 3 ♥
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Posted 2007-June-28, 00:19
not a fan of "reinvites" like ever but thats how I'd take it in this auction.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 00:53
Hi,
You can either play 3S as "reinvite" or
as "choice of games" between 3NT and
4S.
With kind regards
Marlowe
You can either play 3S as "reinvite" or
as "choice of games" between 3NT and
4S.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-June-28, 05:06
A raise of an invitational bid accepts but gives a choice of games. Or you could play it as a FAB (food asking bid).
3♠ = are you hungry?
4♠ = no
3NT = yes, I'm in for Pizza
4♣ = Burger
4♦ = Chinese
4♥ = Other
3♠ = are you hungry?
4♠ = no
3NT = yes, I'm in for Pizza
4♣ = Burger
4♦ = Chinese
4♥ = Other
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Posted 2007-June-28, 05:10
far from optimal:
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 05:19
Hannie, on Jun 28 2007, 06:10 AM, said:
far from optimal:
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
Depends on your style, some partners are like 95% to want pizza. Then you want to preserve the 2 extra spaces as Gerben has done and use 4C over 3N as a topping asking bid.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 05:40
nothing to drink?
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Posted 2007-June-28, 06:59
So, it makes no sense, eh?
That leads me to a "cinfirmation" of a recent thought. 3541/3514 with invitational values...
Transfer, then 2♠. If partner has four spades and a maximum, he bids 3♠, which might be converted to 3NT. With five spades and a maximum, 4♠.
With a maximum and interest in the minor, 3♦ is bid, with Responder bidding the minor, or 3NT if he was the simple 5♥/4♠.
With a minimum and interest in the minor, 3♣ is pass-or-correct (4-4 or more in minors). If Responder was 4513/4531, he can elect a minor. Otherwise, worst case is playing 3♥ on a 5-2.
With a minimum and just wants to play 2NT, 2NT. Responder can bid a minor if 3505/3550.
Opener can also pass 2♠, possibly playing a 4-3 (extremely rarely playing a 3-3?).
Thoughts?
That leads me to a "cinfirmation" of a recent thought. 3541/3514 with invitational values...
Transfer, then 2♠. If partner has four spades and a maximum, he bids 3♠, which might be converted to 3NT. With five spades and a maximum, 4♠.
With a maximum and interest in the minor, 3♦ is bid, with Responder bidding the minor, or 3NT if he was the simple 5♥/4♠.
With a minimum and interest in the minor, 3♣ is pass-or-correct (4-4 or more in minors). If Responder was 4513/4531, he can elect a minor. Otherwise, worst case is playing 3♥ on a 5-2.
With a minimum and just wants to play 2NT, 2NT. Responder can bid a minor if 3505/3550.
Opener can also pass 2♠, possibly playing a 4-3 (extremely rarely playing a 3-3?).
Thoughts?
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Posted 2007-June-28, 08:04
4♠ = max
3♠ = good min
3♠ = good min
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Posted 2007-June-28, 08:26
3♠ may be made with a minimum and double fit imo. Otherwise there's no real use for it...
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Posted 2007-June-28, 13:23
Your method is fine ken, but if you want to use 2S as something as artificial (as almost all top pairs are doing these days), I think it would be better used to clean up the GF/slam auctions than the invitational auctions.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 14:32
Hannie, on Jun 28 2007, 06:10 AM, said:
far from optimal:
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
3NT - something Italian
4C asks
4D = pizza
4H = spagetti
4S = just a salad please
If you make one of these food-asking bids, is a double by an opponent suggesting that the food should be takeout?
Or is it penalty, suggesting that your choice will lead to indigestion?
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Posted 2007-June-28, 14:43
Jlall, on Jun 28 2007, 02:23 PM, said:
Your method is fine ken, but if you want to use 2S as something as artificial (as almost all top pairs are doing these days), I think it would be better used to clean up the GF/slam auctions than the invitational auctions.
Yeah, I have played a very artificial version of 2♠, but I somewhat dislike the inabilit to handle the lost options. This seems like a middlish ground approach with some potential. A "semi-artificial" 2♠ rebid.
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Posted 2007-June-28, 14:52
mikeh, on Jun 28 2007, 03:32 PM, said:
Or is it penalty, suggesting that your choice will lead to indigestion?
I think it's just an old fashioned 'action' type double, meaning you get twice as much.
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kenrexford, on Jun 28 2007, 03:43 PM, said:
Jlall, on Jun 28 2007, 02:23 PM, said:
Your method is fine ken, but if you want to use 2S as something as artificial (as almost all top pairs are doing these days), I think it would be better used to clean up the GF/slam auctions than the invitational auctions.
Yeah, I have played a very artificial version of 2♠, but I somewhat dislike the inabilit to handle the lost options. This seems like a middlish ground approach with some potential. A "semi-artificial" 2♠ rebid.
It will deifinitely be good when it comes up.
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