[MarkDean]

karlson, on Jun 2 2008, 09:29 PM, said:

MarkDean, on Jun 2 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

I would bid 3♣.  This hand is not quite as good as it first appears for 3NT.  The clubs may not run, and even if they do, and partner has a diamond stopper, that can still be only 7 tricks.  I am obviously well placed if partner makes any call, and admit I will sometimes miss a white game when partner has something like QJTx of diamonds and out.  5C could also make opposite not that much, but a heart ruff seems somewhat likely as well. 

<preparing to be laughed at>

Whew. And I thought I was crazy for thinking I'd bid 3♣. Score one up for partnership harmony.

So you thought you were crazy, then you found out I agreed with the call, and thought that somehow made you less crazy?

[Apollo81]

I think you're crazy =)

[Simpleboi]

Thanks to all for the answers and suggestions

Anyway, on the table the S hand ventured 4♠ figuring it shld have a play after the 3♥ raise by E and N then bidded 6♠.. easily doubled by E and went down 3.

The bidding:
2♥ - X - 3♥ - 4♠
P - 6♠ - X - AP

The other table played in 4♥X-4 so it was a double big swing

Here are the 4 hands:

Scoring: IMP

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[nige1]

Simpleboi, on Jun 1 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ KQ5 ♥ KQ97 ♦   ♣ AKJT85

You are North, West opens 2♥ weak preempt. Your bid? There's also a part 2 to this, would like to know what most pple would do

IMO _X = 10, 3N = 8, 3♣ = 6, 2N = 5.
If partner has a strong hand with ♦, with any luck, he'll bid 3♥. Then you can bid a firm 3N, place your hand face-down on the table, and start entering the contract in your score-card.

[Simpleboi]

nige1, on Jun 4 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

Simpleboi, on Jun 1 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> KQ5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> KQ97 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKJT85 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> You are North, West opens 2♥ weak preempt. Your bid?
There's also a part 2 to this, would like to know what most pple would do </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

IMO _X = 10, 3N = 8, 3♣ = 6, 2N = 5.
If partner has a strong hand with ♦, with any luck, he'll bid 3♥. Then you can bid a firm 3N, place your hand face-down on the table, and start entering the contract in your score-card.

Hi,

If partner showed a strong hand, wouldnt you bid slam with your 3-loser hand? Or at least go for it instead of a 3NT?

[nige1]

Simpleboi, on Jun 5 2008, 12:14 AM, said:

If partner showed a strong hand, wouldnt you bid slam with your 3-loser hand? Or at least go for it instead of a 3NT?

No but your argument is sensible. Over 2♥, I prefer double to unilateral actions like 3N or 5♣ so as to consult partner as to what is the best contract with plenty of room to find a slam in the unlikely event that there is one . Nevertheless, a 3N rebid shows that we have values in opponent's suit and probably denies good ♠; so it is quite descriptive. It would be a pity to get too high if partner's values are mostly in ♦. For example, partner held a strong 6 loser hand ♠ T9xx ♥ - ♦ AKJxxxx ♣ xx But even game is in jeopardy. Unfortunately, with that hand, over double, I would bid 3♥ (or Lebensohl or Rubensohll - if available) and then, over 3N, persist with 4♦. Opposite our 3-loser misfit, we are still quite likely to concede a penalty

After the actual continuation, (2♥) _X (3♥) ??, holding ♠ T9xx ♥ - ♦ AKJxxxx ♣ xx,
IMO 4♥ = 10, 5♦ = 9, 4♠ = 8, 6♦ = 5, 4♦ = 4, 3♠ = 3, _X = 2