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Is this double anything in particular?

Poll: You participate in the auction given below, what is the double? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

You participate in the auction given below, what is the double?

  1. Nothing in particular, p thought auction was funny, straight penalty (15 votes [51.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.72%

  2. Nothing in particular, p is not sober. (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  3. Asks for a heart lead (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  4. Forbids a heart lead (2 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  5. Asks for a club lead (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  6. Forbids a club lead (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Asks for a spade lead (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2008-August-05, 01:58

BAM, all white

Auction:

1 - ( x ) - 2 - (2)
2 - (3) - 3 - (3NT)
P - ( P ) - X - all pass
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Posted 2008-August-05, 03:08

Partner thinks it is going off. He should have something in diamonds. I would expect to look at my hand before deciding whether to lead a heart or a club, but I wouldn't consider any other suit.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 03:59

I assume it ask for a H lead and partner know the D arent running. It would be lightner only if partner is expected to lead a H. Here without a double a H lead is far from automatic.
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Posted 2008-August-06, 02:35

I think that in auctions like this, partner's double means they are going off. Make your normal lead.

Prefer a lead to a lead because I think pard will be expecting a lead on this auction and may be doubling on a single stopper and a filler needed to knock out declarer's stopper. Unless your suit is anemic, in which case maybe try a instead.
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Posted 2008-August-06, 15:54

I very much doubt our lead matters much. I will tend to lead a club here unless I had a stiff, but it really depends on my red suit holdings. In general I want to push clubs through dummy so pard can lead hearts through the NT bidder.
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Posted 2008-August-06, 17:53

thanks for the replies thus far.

now, after the auction is over, you look at your hand and see:

KJxx AT9xxx Kx x

does this make the lead any easier?


Now, forget the first part of that post.

P actually held
9xxx 8x x AKQxxx
do you agree with their actions.
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Posted 2008-August-07, 03:19

1. Definitely leading a holding the given hand.

2. I disagree with the 3 bid. If you're going to raise on a doubleton, at least have Ax or Kx.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 00:33

matmat, on Aug 5 2008, 02:58 AM, said:

BAM, all white

Auction:

1 - ( x ) - 2 - (2)
2 - (3) - 3 - (3NT)
P - ( P ) - X - all pass

IMO
  • Doubles of games and slams, voluntarily bid by opponents, should be vaguely Lightner -- lead-directing rather than pure penalty.
  • Simple rules are best: e.g. if we've both bid a suit, then lead your suit not mine.
  • Hence, without other agreements or indications, this should ask for a lead.

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Posted 2008-August-08, 06:23

matmat, on Aug 5 2008, 02:58 AM, said:

1 - ( x ) - 2 - (2)
2 - (3) - P - (3NT)
P - ( P ) - X - all pass

Wouldn't you be inclined to lead a club here, even with a singleton if your hearts were not great? So, I think responder on the actual hand made an error with his 3 bid (and probably his double, even if he had passed 3, unless there is a 10 missing from his actual hand).

With opener's actual hand, looking at the K, you have to wonder what is going on, don't you? One explanation is that partner has solid clubs. Certainly advancer has a heart stopper, but he may reasonably have been counting on the takeout doubler to have a club stopper. If one of our suits is running, it is most likely clubs.

Conflicting signal, I think. At the table, I probably would have led a heart, but with time to think deeper a club is probably best. One extra thing that a club has going for it is that responder might have the A and be able to switch to hearts at trick two when clubs is the wrong suit. Leading a heart is likely an all or nothing shot (when it matters).
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