[jmc]

Scoring: Imp Pairs

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White vs red you open 1c and partner bids 1h. Rho now bids 2d. What do you bid and what is your plan for the hand. You are playing with a true expert partner who has won a handful of national championships.

jmc

[jdonn]

I thank RHO for solving my rebid problem as I make an easy support double, to be followed by a cuebid. And no, I'm not the least bit worried about partner passing, he very rarely does on this auction and when he does I have good hopes to clobber them anyway.

[P_Marlowe]

X, assuming this is a support X.

Actually the intervention made my task easier.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kenrexford]

Support double looks right. I am somewhat concerned about focusing the wrong suit by doing so, and somewhat concerned about this being passed out, but I'm not real happy about finding some other method of forcing this auction properly.

[jtfanclub]

kenrexford, on Aug 12 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

Support double looks right. I am somewhat concerned about focusing the wrong suit by doing so, and somewhat concerned about this being passed out, but I'm not real happy about finding some other method of forcing this auction properly.

3♦? Or would that be interpreted as looking for a stopper?

[jdonn]

kenrexford, on Aug 12 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

Support double looks right. I am somewhat concerned about focusing the wrong suit by doing so, and somewhat concerned about this being passed out, but I'm not real happy about finding some other method of forcing this auction properly.

The best is if it goes 3♦ P P back to you, then I think 4♦ promises long clubs. 2+ diamonds would surely double again, 4 spades would either bid 3♠ or double, so your maximum length in the other suits is 3-3-1. I love when that interference gives me perfect bids for impossible hands

[andy_h]

agree with jdonn and thanking my RHO.

[han]

Yes, this could have been a problem hand but isn't.

[pclayton]

If your partner never leaves in your support doubles, then this isn't a problem. If pard will leave it in with a 4=5 playing Walsh, then I'd be very concerned.

To say this is a non-problem is a serious overbid.

I hope we aren't playing that a non-double denies 3 hearts

[han]

If partner leaves in 2DX with 4 hearts and 5 diamonds then we will likely get a very good score: we are white against red and we have 4 top tricks. There is no good alternative to double so really this a non-problem after all.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Aug 13 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

If your partner never leaves in your support doubles, then this isn't a problem. If pard will leave it in with a 4=5 playing Walsh, then I'd be very concerned.

To say this is a non-problem is a serious overbid.

I disagree. Why can't this be slaughter city of our r/w opponents if partner is, say, a decent 3451? You act like it's automatic disaster if partner passes.

What do you want to do besides double anyway? Cuebid? Great you have shown nothing about your hand except that it's good. Should partner then rebid hearts with five? Who knows what anything means

[han]

Ha, this time I beat you to it Jdown!

[jdonn]

You suck hannie.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Aug 13 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 13 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

If your partner never leaves in your support doubles, then this isn't a problem. If pard will leave it in with a 4=5 playing Walsh, then I'd be very concerned.

To say this is a non-problem is a serious overbid.

I disagree. Why can't this be slaughter city of our r/w opponents if partner is, say, a decent 3451? You act like it's automatic disaster if partner passes.

What do you want to do besides double anyway? Cuebid? Great you have shown nothing about your hand except that it's good. Should partner then rebid hearts with five? Who knows what anything means

I don't think its that clear guys - this isn't matchpoints after all.

Give pard a perfectly ordinary xx Qxxx KQxxx Kx and he has an auto pass. +500 looks likely against 2♦ and we are on a 3-3 heart split / double squeeze (non-spade lead) for 1440. A side spade fit should be a consideration here.

Still I'd probably make the support double myself and then go nuts over pard's rebid. After all, our life is so much easier once we show 3 hearts and pard doesn't leave it in.

Not playing Walsh, I think a support double is 1000% clear.

I need to remind myself not to defend calls that I wouldn't make myself, just for the purpose of having an intelligent discussion. That seems to have limited value with some of you.

[Lobowolf]

pclayton, on Aug 13 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

I need to remind myself not to defend calls that I wouldn't make myself, just for the purpose of having an intelligent discussion. That seems to have limited value with some of you.

lol I was getting nostalgic for reading Scalia.

[han]

pclayton, on Aug 13 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

I need to remind myself not to defend calls that I wouldn't make myself, just for the purpose of having an intelligent discussion. That seems to have limited value with some of you.

You need to remind yourself not to start arguments for the sole purpose of looking intelligent!

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Aug 13 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

I need to remind myself not to defend calls that I wouldn't make myself, just for the purpose of having an intelligent discussion. That seems to have limited value with some of you.

I have no idea what this means or where it came from. It sounds like you think that it's an intelligent discussion until people say you are wrong. No one even said anything bad to you or anything unrelated to bridge, sorry but it just sounds like you take being disagreed with too personally.

Until you made that statement I thought it was a reasonably intelligent discussion by everyone, even including the entire previous part of the same post which is not to say I think it's a good example for you. It's not like I mind getting 500 instead of a slam that I wasn't going to bid, and of course partner could have better than xxx for his low diamonds too, or a stiff club, or the club king could be in spades, etc. I think we all know the possibility a bid won't work out well does not automatically mean it isn't an obvious bid.

[jmc]

I also chose to start with a cue bid of 3d. Partner then bid 3H and I had the problem that Jdonn mentioned above: namely, I wasnt sure what stuff meant. Partner bid 3H, which I assumed showed 5. I then bid 4c. Partner bid 4d. What should I do now?

BTW, why 3d jlall and not the support double many favor.

jmc