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Queen Falls restricted choice or clever discard?

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Posted 2008-September-14, 09:46

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I play a low spade towards the king, and RHO plays the queen (LHO plays the 9). Play the split, or finesse the ten?

If it changes anything, I've likely shown at least 6 spades from the bidding.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 09:51

against 95% of the opps I play against finesse, drop against the rest.

edit: see post below
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Posted 2008-September-14, 11:59

There's not much room for a "clever" Q to be relevant. It's clearly not from Qxx, since you didn't see the J pop on your left. If it's from Qx, you're going to see the J before you have to decide. If it's from QJx, you can't get it right. For all relevant, practical purposes, it's either Q stiff, or QJ tight. Assuming he wouldn't play the Q every single time from QJ tight, you should play for restricted choice. If he'd play the queen every time from QJ tight, and you know this, then it doesn't matter what you'll do (but you'll never get it wrong in the same situation when he plays the jack).
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Posted 2008-September-14, 12:18

If you finesse every time the jack or queen appear you win twice as often as when you always play for the drop (two stiff honors, one QJ tight).
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Posted 2008-September-14, 13:08

Argh! I'm an idiot. Always finesse.
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Posted 2008-September-14, 19:57

Lobowolf, on Sep 14 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

If it's from Qx, you're going to see the J before you have to decide. If it's from QJx, you can't get it right.

Gah. I overlooked this.

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If you finesse every time the jack or queen appear you win twice as often as when you always play for the drop (two stiff honors, one QJ tight).


Thanks. This was what I wanted to verify.

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