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#1 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2008-October-24, 16:15

I really enjoyed this interview. I universally agree, especially the point about investing in infrastructure and long term energy projects rather than cutting taxes. Not that I will be sending my tax rebate back :P

CNN spoke to world affairs expert and author Fareed Zakaria about the financial crisis.

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CNN: Are we out of the woods with this credit crisis?

Zakaria: No, but eventually, the governments will win. They have potentially unlimited tools at their disposal, especially if they act in concert. They can nationalize firms, call bank holidays, suspend trading for weeks, buy up debt and equity, and renegotiate home mortgages. Most important, the American government can print money.  Watch Fareed Zakaria on the financial crisis »

CNN: But won't those actions cause more problems?

Zakaria: You're right, all of those tools have long-term effects that are extremely troublesome, but they are nothing compared with the potential collapse of the financial system.

Whatever can be done must be done, and Washington seems to have recognized that it must do whatever is required to shore up that system.

CNN: What do you think caused this crisis?

Every city, every county and every state has wanted to preserve its many and proliferating operations and yet not raise taxes. How to do that? By borrowing, using ever more elaborate financial instruments.

Easy money plus leverage equals financial crisis.

CNN: OK. So what do we do now?

Zakaria: In the short term, all the solutions require that governments take on more debts and larger obligations. This is inevitable and necessary. But that doesn't mean we should, as some noted economists advocate, stimulate the economy with more tax cuts.

That would be only one more way to keep the party going artificially, like asking a drunk to go to AA next year but in the meantime to have even more whiskey.

A far better stimulus would be to announce and expedite major infrastructure and energy projects, which are investments, not consumption, and therefore have a much different effect on the country's fiscal fortunes.

In the medium and long term, we have to get back to basics. Households, for instance, should save more. Governments should put incentives in place that make such savings more likely.

The U.S. government offers enormous incentives to consume (the deduction of mortgage interest being the best example), and it works. We have the biggest houses in the world, the thinnest flat-screen TVs and the most cars. If we were to tax consumption and encourage savings, that would also work.

Regulations on credit-card debt should be revised to ensure that people understand the risks and costs of these instruments. Moving in this direction would be good for families and for the government as well.

CNN: Seems this will be painful.

Zakaria: No pain, no gain. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the United States has operated in the world with no constraints or checks on its power. This has not been good for its foreign policy. It has made Washington arrogant, lazy and careless.

We didn't have to make strategic choices; we could have it all. We could make blunders, anger the world, rupture alliances, waste resources, wage war incompetently; it didn't matter. We had more than enough room for error, lots of error.

But it's a different world out there. If Iraq cast a shadow on U.S. political and military credibility, this financial crisis has eroded America's economic and financial power.

In the short run, there has been a flight to safety -- toward dollars and T-bills -- but in the long run, countries are likely to seek greater independence from an unstable superpower.

The United States will now have to work to attract capital to its shores and manage its fiscal house better. We will have to persuade countries to join in our foreign endeavors.


We cannot noisily denounce Chinese and Arab foreign investments in America one day and then hope that they will keep buying $4 billion worth of T-bills another day.

We cannot keep preaching to the world about democracy and capitalism while our own house is so wildly out of order.

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Posted 2008-October-24, 16:40

yep, sounds about right to me... our "leaders" have gotten a lot wrong in the past decade or so, and i'm not just talking about the administration (though it is the easiest to blame)... congress is and was a willing co-conspirator
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Posted 2008-October-24, 16:41

jdonn, on Oct 24 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

I universally agree, especially the point about investing in infrastructure and long term energy projects rather than cutting taxes.

I agree with this also. Use tax money to rebuild our infrastructure and prepare for energy independence. And create jobs that way.
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Posted 2008-October-26, 08:51

PassedOut, on Oct 24 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 24 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

I universally agree, especially the point about investing in infrastructure and long term energy projects rather than cutting taxes.

I agree with this also. Use tax money to rebuild our infrastructure and prepare for energy independence. And create jobs that way.

It worked to get us out of the Great Depression.

Hopefully we'll soon have a Democratic administration. They're more likely to undertake a project like this.

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Posted 2008-October-26, 10:47

PassedOut, on Oct 24 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 24 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

I universally agree, especially the point about investing in infrastructure and long term energy projects rather than cutting taxes.

I agree with this also. Use tax money to rebuild our infrastructure and prepare for energy independence. And create jobs that way.

Count me in on this also. Some of the other statements need more filling in before I can say whether I agree. For example:

"Regulations on credit-card debt should be revised to ensure that people understand the risks and costs of these instruments. Moving in this direction would be good for families and for the government as well."

From time to time over the last decade and more, the Post and other sources have run articles on people who get in credit card debt almost beyond imagining. There is a common theme. As with so many things, the people are quick to blame practically anyone except themselves. Basically their position often comes to: When I bought this new stuff for $2000 and signed the credit card slip I was never told I would have to pay $2000 and be charged interest if I delayed payment.

The argument's cousin has shown up more lately with those in trouble with their mortgage: I was shocked to discover that on my adjustable rate mortgage the rate is being adjusted.


It's not really that anything was unclear, the person simply saw that understanding the facts would prevent him from a course of action he wanted to follow, so he did not understand the facts. I realize that in some cases there has been deception but I believe that far more often it is self-deception.

Also as with the mortgage problem, if it were just a matter of a foolish person and a foolish lender getting together to do something foolish, it would not be my business. But the large scale of this threatens the financial health of the whole economy. The issuing of credit cards has somehow become profitable for its own sake just as the granting of mortgages became profitable whether or not the client could reasonably be expected to handle the debt. It will take some work to see how to regulate matters to make it be in the card issuer's financial interest to see that the card holder can and will pay for what he buys but I think this would be the direction to go.
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Posted 2008-October-26, 11:50

barmar, on Oct 26 2008, 09:51 AM, said:

It worked to get us out of the Great Depression.

It worked to get the US out of the Great Depression. I doubt many of us were around at the time, however.
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Posted 2008-October-26, 11:52

IF the federal government can create jobs by simply raising income taxes and spending the money, this may be a way to solve unemployment forever. Frankly I am surprised Europe and other places do not follow suit and do this.

If it takes raising income taxes, corporate taxes, capital gains taxes to create jobs I am all for that, raise them to the roof!
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Posted 2008-October-26, 12:16

mike777, on Oct 26 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

IF the federal government can create jobs by simple raising income taxes and spending the money, this may be a way to solve unemployment forever. Frankly I am suprised Europe and other places do not follow suit and do this.

please add a smiley, Mike. You know very well that that's exactly what we have been doing since the seventies.

Whether it has worked is debatable. It seems that some think it may be called for in the current situation.
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Posted 2008-October-27, 06:37

helene_t, on Oct 26 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

mike777, on Oct 26 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

IF the federal government can create jobs by simple raising income taxes and spending the money, this may be a way to solve unemployment forever. Frankly I am suprised Europe and other places do not follow suit and do this.

please add a smiley, Mike. You know very well that that's exactly what we have been doing since the seventies.

Whether it has worked is debatable. It seems that some think it may be called for in the current situation.

Mike is a smiley.... :P

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Posted 2008-October-28, 09:09

Good story here re: George Soros' take on the financial crisis. The guy has something to say.
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Posted 2008-October-28, 10:56

y66, on Oct 28 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

Good story here re: George Soros' take on the financial crisis. The guy has something to say.

I might even buy the book. Perhaps I will even read it!
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Posted 2008-October-28, 13:33

Stock exchanges around the world may be sputtering, but at least one German company is enjoying a dramatic share price sure. Volkswagen AG.

No one at the Frankfurter Stock Exchange remember such a crazy trading day as this one. VW shares raised from about 400€/share to...700€...to .1000€!!! The surge was caused by so-called short-sellers grabbing up the declining number of "free floating" VW shares in a bid to close their positions. This company was for a few hours the most valuable incorporation in the word, more then ExxonMobile..etc!
What has is it all with real economic situation to do?

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Posted 2008-October-28, 13:37

The shares were at €200 last week, so a mere 400% increase.
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Posted 2008-October-28, 14:23

A semi-technical look at the markets.

http://vosblog.roicapital.ca/

He talks about why the volatility and how hedge fund manipulations continue to make month end interesting...
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Posted 2008-October-28, 14:36

barmar, on Oct 26 2008, 09:51 AM, said:

PassedOut, on Oct 24 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 24 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

I universally agree, especially the point about investing in infrastructure and long term energy projects rather than cutting taxes.

I agree with this also. Use tax money to rebuild our infrastructure and prepare for energy independence. And create jobs that way.

It worked to get us out of the Great Depression.

Hopefully we'll soon have a Democratic administration. They're more likely to undertake a project like this.

Actually, and I wasn't around at the time, and readily concede I may be in error, I thought that it was WWII that got the US out of the Great Depression.... the US made a lot of money manufacturing and selling goods to the UK and her allies, and in rearming itself.

This statement, whether true or not, is not intended as a criticism of the American position... without the help of the US (which was entitled to make a profit and seems to have been moderate in its demands compared to the assistance it supplied) the UK would almost certainly have been defeated, if only as a result of the submarine war in 1940-41.

I hope that economic theory is better developed these days.. a global war is not an ideal solution to a depression... all the more so in a time when many tens of millions of Americans believe that we are living in or approaching the end of days.... and triply so when there seems to be some chance that one of those lunatics is running for the position of VP to a 72 year old with an extensive medical history. At least, that is the impression I have gained from various media reports concerning Ms. Palin.
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Posted 2008-October-29, 07:45

Birth date 1/1/39 so I was barely around during the depression. I recall, in the sixties I think, listening to Firing Line back when William Buckley was the host. He had a guest on who was speaking of the New Deal and its success in working us out of the depression.
Buckley: "Are you familiar with the economic figures during those years? I warn you, I am."

Well, actually, I am not. But my understanding is that Roosevelt's efforts alleviated some pain and the WPA did some very good construction work, but unemployment was still extremely high right up until Pearl Harbor. Prosperity is just around the corner? Buddy can you spare a dime.

My general idea, untutored and perhaps even simple-minded, is that we need bridges so building bridges cannot be all that bad. We had better keep our scientific base energized so supporting science cannot be a mistake. And so on. The WPA and CCC were sometimes portrayed as make-work and perhaps sometimes were, but the projects did a lot of good (you can still see the results in our national parks) and they provided men with work and money. That can't be bad either.

Obama sounds to be on a similar line of thought and although it has much to be worked out, it seems to me to be roughly right.
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Posted 2008-October-29, 08:57

kenberg, on Oct 29 2008, 08:45 AM, said:

My general idea, untutored and perhaps even simple-minded, is that we need bridges so building bridges cannot be all that bad. We had better keep our scientific base energized so supporting science cannot be a mistake. And so on. The WPA and CCC were sometimes portrayed as make-work and perhaps sometimes were, but the projects did a lot of good (you can still see the results in our national parks) and they provided men with work and money. That can't be bad either.

Yes, when you have (1) public work that needs doing, (2) people looking for jobs, and (3) an economy with jobs disappearing, it makes perfect sense for the government to spend money on public works.

If the US can spend $700 billion on a welfare program for bankers and financiers and can consider billions more in welfare for auto companies, it can surely support projects that benefit all citizens and that provide jobs for people thrown out of work.

A huge downside of the Reagan-Bush-Bush strategy of using deficit spending to pump up the economy in good times is that it becomes much more difficult to prop up the economy when hard times hit.
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Posted 2008-October-30, 22:50

Conservative columnist David Brooks has the right idea: A National Mobility Project

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In times like these, the best a sensible leader can do is to take the short-term panic and channel it into a program that is good on its own merits even if it does nothing to stimulate the economy over the next year. That’s why I’m hoping the next president takes the general resolve to spend gobs of money, and channels it into a National Mobility Project, a long-term investment in the country’s infrastructure.

Major highway projects take about 13 years from initiation to completion — too long to counteract any recession. But at least they create a legacy that can improve the economic environment for decades to come.

A major infrastructure initiative would create jobs for the less-educated workers who have been hit hardest by the transition to an information economy. It would allow the U.S. to return to the fundamentals.

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Posted 2008-October-31, 18:28

To echo mikeh, I do not believe FDR's plan pulled the US out of the Great Depression.

http://online.wsj.co...2835686689.html
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Posted 2008-November-23, 09:33

kenberg, on Oct 29 2008, 08:45 AM, said:

My general idea, untutored and perhaps even simple-minded, is that we need bridges so building bridges cannot be all that bad. We had better keep our scientific base energized so supporting science cannot be a mistake. And so on. The WPA and CCC were sometimes portrayed as make-work and perhaps sometimes were, but the projects did a lot of good (you can still see the results in our national parks) and they provided men with work and money. That can't be bad either.

Obama sounds to be on a similar line of thought and although it has much to be worked out, it seems to me to be roughly right.

And Obama plans to follow through on this: Obama Sets Expansive Goal for Jobs

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President-elect Barack Obama is developing a plan to create or preserve 2.5 million jobs over the next two years by spending billions of dollars to rebuild roads and bridges, modernize public schools, and construct wind farms and other alternative sources of energy.

Obama's weekly YouTube addresses make it very convenient to follow what he is doing and why. I think they'll be even more useful once he takes office and can discuss results as well as plans.
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