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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2009-January-15, 23:17

Scoring: MP

(1)-2-(4)-5
(5)-6-(6)-?


Bad opponents, expert partner.

Your choice?
Edit: 6 instead of 5???!

What if you were 2-2 in the blacks?
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Posted 2009-January-16, 01:34

Early in the morning, and I am thinkng and thinking and thinking, and come to no conclusion.

At this vulnerability, partner is more likelly to bid 6 to defend than to make, this makes it less likelly that he has A and A, even with this cards our troubles ain't over yet.

Chaces of opponents making this contract are slim, partner is maked with spade values of he doesn't have A.

I think I will double hating it.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 01:40

Do it.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 03:34

Pass. Unless pard can't produce a club trick, this is likely to go down.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 07:35

I'm with Fluffy, but I am awake saying this :).
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Posted 2009-January-16, 08:11

Yeah, double. I have a trick and I expect partner to have another.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-January-16, 09:09

To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?'

If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 10:15

kfay, on Jan 16 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?'

If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like.

This is probably already a top or bottom situation, depending on the field. I think that X for the extra 100 or so won't make a difference, but nor will -1660. So, I double because I'm pretty sure we can beat this, and my scorecard loks better with +200, instead of +100 B).
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Posted 2009-January-16, 11:15

I think this queston also depends a lot about how sounds overcaller your partner is.

If holding like xx xxx Axx KQJxx is routine overcall for your partner I would suspect 6!H is easy make. But if partner is sound overcaller I would just take my sure plus and double for fair MP result. (This seems like hand where many might bid over in both directions and I hope 7 isn't on for our side)

If partner may easily have the first hand type I will pass and let partner decide what he wants to do with his junk overcall B)
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Posted 2009-January-16, 12:03

As both 3 and 4 would be splinters in support of on this sequece, it sounds like the actual 4 bid means void.
If this is correct (I'd ask the opps to be sure), then I'm bidding the grand; it may well make plus you only live once.
On a lesser distribution (as OP suggested) or uncertainty about opps' 4, I hit 6.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 12:11

I'd bid.

Hands like xx x Axxx Axxxxx (and this isn't an overcall) give us our grand and we are just nicking 6 a trick.

Something like xx x Axxx KQxxxx (many wouldn't overcall (I might)) and we are -1/-2 depending on the lead, but pard's A lead could easily let in 6.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 13:53

kfay, on Jan 16 2009, 12:17 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1)-2-(4)-5
(5)-6-(6)-?
Bad opponents, expert partner.
Your choice?
What if you were 2-2 in the blacks?

  • With the actual hand, IMO, _P = 10, _X = 8, 7 = 5.
  • With 2-2 in the blacks, I would be slightly more inclined to double.
Double is sometimes necessary to prevent partner from surrendering a ruff and a sluff.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 15:11

you expect too much fit from partner, The expected lenght for the 5 bid is around 7.8. Parter could easilly sacrifice on doubleton, specialy if he has slow values in clubs.

Double can give us a lot of MPs if partner has A and we happen to beat 400s, or why not? 550/650
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Posted 2009-January-16, 15:48

lol at doubling to protect our plus score
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Posted 2009-January-16, 16:10

TBH, I'm fairly confident 6 isn't making. But I think the grand could well make. And while midding may turn a small plus into a small minus, if either 6 or 7 is making, we gain a bunch by bidding. This is a tough choice.

Having checked the form of scoring, I see it's match-points, so I think I'll double and take my plus.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 10:28

Here's the full deal (i think)



If you pass in tempo partner says he will bid 7. If you double or hitch pass, you get a 0. -100 (most likely) is worth about average. Top is +1090, which 3 people were in.
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