[jeremy69]

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L74A2 to say that you should abide by a reasonable request to show them.

I don't think, as others have suggested, 74A2 says that at all. It infers that to reply to the request "*!??? off" might be a breach however "I'd rather not" is not offensive and if the other side wanted to argue it spoilt their enjoyment I would be happy to argue that their request spoilt mine. I have seen, on one occasion, a request turned down, opponent reach for the cards anyway and a large clenched fist descend to the table about 1mm from the encroaching hand(missing was possibly accidental). That, of course, was before the days of zero tolerance.

Now don't get me wrong. I have (usually) no problem with opponents seeing my cards at the end of the hand and would only object if they took loads of time with this, we were late starting the round or they were rude in their request.

One reason, especially in a tight last set to see cards is to improve the accuracy of estimation of likely gain or loss. I guess that if I felt the opponents were likely to refuse I might play my contract out to trick 13 so as to ensure seeing the cards! I await someone telling me I am not allowed to.

[iviehoff]

jeremy69, on May 17 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

One reason, especially in a tight last set to see cards is to improve the accuracy of estimation of likely gain or loss. I guess that if I felt the opponents were likely to refuse I might play my contract out to trick 13 so as to ensure seeing the cards! I await someone telling me I am not allowed to.

The countermeasure is for a defender to concede the rest of the tricks. Oh yes, that is where this thread started!

[pran]

blackshoe, on May 17 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

Around here, where hand records are now the norm, and rounds are shorter than the ACBL recommends (so that we can get more than 24 boards in no more than three hours), I think it unreasonable to insist on seeing someone else's cards in most cases.

That is of course covered by my mentioning of time as a (good) reason.