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4H transfer?

Poll: Do you bid 4S? (41 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you bid 4S?

  1. Automatic (5 votes [12.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.20%

  2. Probably (8 votes [19.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.51%

  3. Unlikely (16 votes [39.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.02%

  4. Never (12 votes [29.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.27%

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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2010-May-06, 11:15

Scoring: IMP

West North East South
         1   (4)     ?

Favourable vulnerability against international opponents.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 11:19

transfer duly accepted.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 11:28

I would.

At other colors, this becomes more interesting.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 12:09

Funny. Wonder if anyone has ever tried anything like this:

Red on white. You are dealt -- AKxx AKxx Axxxx. RHO opens 1. You bid 4...

I just want to do that once, for the laugh.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 12:31

as jdonn noted in another thread, I'm chicken, so I do what chickens always do here...I pass
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Posted 2010-May-06, 12:51

I am not chicken, but I would pass.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 13:58

I pass. And thought harder about X than I do about 4S. (Presumably internationals look at the vulnerability before they leap. Folks at my club often don't.)
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Posted 2010-May-06, 14:12

4 here.

And come on Mike, that was a total contradiction I caught :P
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Posted 2010-May-06, 15:08

I find this problem easy at this vulnerability
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Posted 2010-May-06, 15:49

cardsharp, on May 6 2010, 05:15 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

West North East South
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Favourable vulnerability against international opponents.

This seems a clear pass to me against normal aggressive players, although once a bluemoon we may hit gold when partner holds good clubs and spades. Generally, 4S shouldn't work out well often against aggressive opps. Against rocks, it is a no brainer to bid 4S though, cause they'll make 4H most likely and 4S shouldn't be quite expensive.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 20:48

I would pass, but think it is close.
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Posted 2010-May-06, 21:00

baak baak. But maybe, since Chicken is my second language I spelled it wrong.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 02:20

I would pass and consider it not close at all. I have a "rule" not to let them push you more than 1 level higher than you would have bid without competition, ie I would only drive to 2S with this hand (1S p 2S), so I cannot bid 4S. Obv bridge rules are terrible and meant to be broken but I don't see why this is the exception.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 02:29

Scoring: IMP

I passed and feel slightly better to have a degree of support. We lost 8 IMPs when my hand bid 4 at the other table and this led to them sacrificing in 5-X, the par contract although it's unclear that you'll actually make 5.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 06:48

Jlall, on May 7 2010, 03:20 AM, said:

I would pass and consider it not close at all. I have a "rule" not to let them push you more than 1 level higher than you would have bid without competition, ie I would only drive to 2S with this hand (1S p 2S), so I cannot bid 4S. Obv bridge rules are terrible and meant to be broken but I don't see why this is the exception.

This looks like a good reason to follow my gut. Good players will be trying to jack you around into making unsound decisions. BTW I think the chickens are actually those who bid 4 trying to take out insurance against 4. This is of course not to say that 4 is definitely going down but that I think the numbers are in our favor for a pass.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 06:54

cardsharp, on May 7 2010, 03:29 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

I passed and feel slightly better to have a degree of support. We lost 8 IMPs when my hand bid 4 at the other table and this led to them sacrificing in 5-X, the par contract although it's unclear that you'll actually make 5.

I really hate the 1 opening with the N hand at these colors. It would be interesting to see how the bidding would go after a 2 call.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 06:58

ouch. 1S looks perfectly fine to me. 5S by north is nuts.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 07:01

At this vul automatic 4 for me, especially if partner knows I may be stretching and won't invite/bid a slam assuming better values.

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I really hate the 1♠ opening with the N hand at these colors.


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Posted 2010-May-07, 07:06

pooltuna, on May 7 2010, 09:54 PM, said:

I really hate the 1 opening with the N hand at these colors. It would be interesting to see how the bidding would go after a 2 call.

No way. 1 is obvious, maybe 4 but nothing else.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 10:07

Jlall, on May 7 2010, 03:20 AM, said:

I would pass and consider it not close at all. I have a "rule" not to let them push you more than 1 level higher than you would have bid without competition, ie I would only drive to 2S with this hand (1S p 2S), so I cannot bid 4S. Obv bridge rules are terrible and meant to be broken but I don't see why this is the exception.

I don't see why this is an exception to any rule, but I don't see why we would have that rule either. And obv you don't follow it on all auctions since there are lots of hands you would overcall 1 over 1 and not bid higher than 2 on your own, but overcall 4 over 4.
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