[kfay]

Q QJ8765 KQ Q864

Partner opens a modern 1♠ 1st seat r/w IMPs.

You can bid 1NT semi-forcing or make a 2/1 GF. What do you do?

[Phil]

1N.

[mich-b]

2♥
What's a "modern 1♠"?

[mike777]

1nt easy modern


easy 2h olden....roth.....hmmm sorry I know roth is hated ........

[andy_h]

Don't like my heart suit so 1NT it is.

[nigel_k]

1NT. Not close.

[Little Kid]

I'm all for game-forcing with 12-count 6-4's at vul but this hand just has way too many negative features imo. Singleton Q♠ might be slightly useful because it is in partner's suit but the fact that it is a singleton reduces its value and suggests the hand may not fit very well. The doubleton KQ♣, lack of controls, no intermediates, not many supporting sequences in long suits, honours in short suits and a lot of quacks in general are just too much for me to GF. I will invite in ♥ whether that be 3♥ now or 3♥ later via 1NT.

[gwnn]

1NT wtp? sometimes kfay's threads are more obvious than gwnn's

[whereagles]

1NT yes.

[655321]

2♥, looks the most straightforward way to bid a vulnerable game.

[pooltuna]

kfay, on Jun 5 2010, 11:00 PM, said:

Q QJ8765 KQ Q864

Partner opens a modern 1♠ 1st seat r/w IMPs.

You can bid 1NT semi-forcing or make a 2/1 GF. What do you do?

I downgrade and bid a SF1NT

[kgr]

kfay, on Jun 6 2010, 06:00 AM, said:

You can bid 1NT semi-forcing or make a 2/1 GF.

I don't know a lot about 2/1, so maybe stupid questions:
Is it standard/common to have 1NT semi-forcing with 2/1?

[Phil]

kgr, on Jun 6 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

kfay, on Jun 6 2010, 06:00 AM, said:

You can bid 1NT semi-forcing or make a 2/1 GF.

I don't know a lot about 2/1, so maybe stupid questions:
Is it standard/common to have 1NT semi-forcing with 2/1?

It is, but you usually have a way to show an invitational hand with 6 of a suit.

We have to live with what KFay plays.

[jdonn]

2♥ even though it's clearly an overbid since after 1NT I am likely to have a guess next round and not get my shape across.

[gszeszycki]

Q
QJ8765
KQ
Q864

p opens 1s
we bid 2H



WAYYYYY too embarrasing to miss 4h opposite say
Kxxxx
ATx
xx
AJx

OR

Axxxx
xxx
xx
AKx

to even CONSIDER starting with semi forcing 1n---yes on rare occassion opener will have a 2 suiter we are in a misfit and we go down but it is FAR more likely we will have excellent play for game opposite a vast majority of 1s opening bids. Pessimism can only be stretched so far:)

[gwnn]

you are overstating the likelihood of game. simulation anyone? (not saying a simulation can prove how much better 1NT is, but it could prove that it is not FAR more likely that we have an excellent game opposite the majority of 1S bids)

[hanp]

I gave partner a 5332 distribution with 12-13 HCP. On those hands 4H makes 45% of the time double dummy.

[aguahombre]

We tried a semi-forcing Club system, but purists got upset with us and said we couldn't call it Precision. Then, to our surprise, we found that we had no way to open a hand with 16+ and assure that we would get another round of bidding in.

So, we switched to 2/1. And people let us call it that, even though the forcing 1NT was a cornerstone and we only make it semi-forcing. Now, when Partner opens 1S we can easily play the hand in 1NT every time we have any hand with less than game force ---even some which have 3-card support. It definitely simplifies our auctions.

Of course, sometimes we can pass 1S without support, a side seven-card suit, and about 6-9 points --knowing that partner didn't open a semi-forcing 2C.

[gwnn]

hanp, on Jun 6 2010, 08:13 PM, said:

I gave partner a 5332 distribution with 12-13 HCP. On those hands 4H makes 45% of the time double dummy.

This makes perhaps 2♥ right I think but his claim is still false

[dake50]

1S-1N-, 2m-??
2H as if 6-suit with 7pts?
3H as 6-suit with 9-10?
4H as 6-suit with 11-12?
Which rebid catches 1N 1st back to right level of game invite?

What's wrong with 2H with 6-suit with 12 as GF? What IS minimum GF?
Opener may have misfit 10-12? 3NT fails, pay out!