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Posted 2010-June-13, 03:16

(1♥)-2♦-(2♥)-2♠

Is this forcing as standard? Is that your preferred definition?
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Posted 2010-June-13, 03:22

4th seat can never force when everyone is bidding, except when he is cuebidding or bidding some number of NT's as a raise.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 03:53

MickyB, on Jun 13 2010, 04:16 AM, said:

(1♥)-2♦-(2♥)-2♠

Is this forcing as standard? Is that your preferred definition?

Nf


but decent hand with decent cards.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 04:37

Non-forcing, like almost all new suits in competition. If you want to force, you have to double and then bid your suit.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-13, 06:36

gnasher, on Jun 13 2010, 12:37 PM, said:

Non-forcing, like almost all new suits in competition.  If you want to force, you have to double and then bid your suit.

gwn said:

4th seat can never force when everyone is bidding, except when he is cuebidding or bidding some number of NT's as a raise.

And:
(2H)-3D-(3H)-3S
=> That should be forcing, or not?
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Posted 2010-June-13, 06:56

kgr, on Jun 13 2010, 01:36 PM, said:

And:
(2H)-3D-(3H)-3S
=> That should be forcing, or not?

I play these bids as forcing after the opponents have made a weak opening. I don't know if that's standard.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-13, 07:20

Yes 3S is forcing there. My rule applies only for the 1 level.

I never really thought about something like

1c-1h-2s-3d where 2s is weak

but I think 3D should still be NF
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Posted 2010-June-13, 08:15

Strongly prefer NF. The auction has gotten competitive, it is utmost important to get your suit across before you need to make a final guess later. It also helps on partner's lead.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 08:55

agree with hung-dog, if i can't bid KJTxxx and some other bits and pieces and here, we need a new competitive system.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 10:50

gnasher, on Jun 13 2010, 05:37 AM, said:

Non-forcing, like almost all new suits in competition. If you want to force, you have to double and then bid your suit.

This is how I play it. With a pass on my right Ŝhen 2♠ is forcing.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 11:53

MickyB, on Jun 13 2010, 04:16 AM, said:

(1♥)-2♦-(2♥)-2♠

Is this forcing as standard? Is that your preferred definition?

Most likely a matter of region, we play 2S as NF, but NF does not mean
garbage, and I think it would be hard to convince me, to play it as forcing.

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Posted 2010-June-13, 12:47

Phil, on Jun 13 2010, 10:50 AM, said:

snip Ŝhen snip

agree with whatever the f that word is.

nf.
OK
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Posted 2010-June-13, 18:31

Ok, thank goodness - everyone in the pub last night (a strong selection of players, including one who is world class) said it was forcing, thought I was going crazy!

What would a minimum 6223 look like for the 2S bid, say favourable at teams?
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Posted 2010-June-13, 18:38

KQT and out
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Posted 2010-June-14, 02:16

Non-forcing.

2H - 3D - 3H - 3S forcing.

1H - 2D - 3H - 3S errrr non-forcing?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 03:16

1♦ - (3♥) - 3♠ is forcing though yes?

As for 1H - 2D - 3H - 3S- if 3♥ is 0-5 I think forcing is more useful?
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Posted 2010-June-14, 03:21

Yes.

F for 0-5
NF for 0-8

0-6 and 0-7 are tricky.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 06:44

hanp, on Jun 14 2010, 09:16 AM, said:

1H - 2D - 3H - 3S errrr non-forcing?

Yes. No errrs about it.
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