[wank]

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i was looking through some old online bulletins and found this hand where i was accused of playing like a chimp after i went off in 6S (obv you'd like to be in 6D so if they had said my bidding was chimplike they might have been right).

of course it's not unusual for people to slag me off, but normally they have the decency to do it behind my back, not in a championship bulletin, so it's time to clear my name.

how do you play this? can't remember the auction but the opps are silent anyway.


lead is a low club to RHO's king.

[CSGibson]

I'd be tempted to ruff a club, play a heart to my ace, ruff a club, King of hearts, Ace of diamonds, heart ruff with the 7 of spades, ace of spades, Jack of spades.

Also considered no club ruffs, playing a heart to the K, and running the Q of spades.

[rogerclee]

I would just play a low spade towards dummy at trick 2.

[jdonn]

I like CGibson's line but playing off a high diamond earlier, guarding against someone holding Kxx(x) of spades with a singleton diamond. Spade to the queen doesn't seem to leave me well placed if it holds.

Edit: I see the high diamond play in his line now, either it wasn't there before or I just missed it.

[aguahombre]

CSGibson, on Jun 20 2010, 11:09 PM, said:

I'd be tempted to ruff a club, play a heart to my ace, ruff a club, King of hearts, Ace of diamonds, heart ruff with the 7 of spades, ace of spades, Jack of spades.

Also considered no club ruffs, playing a heart to the K, and running the Q of spades.

Yeh, that diamond Ace play is key on your first line.

The second line you considered is scary, and I would try that one against weak opponents.

Roger's line is virtually the same as floating the queen at trick three, and just as scary. Again more likely to work against weak opps.

[CSGibson]

jdonn, on Jun 20 2010, 10:35 PM, said:

I like CGibson's line but playing off a high diamond earlier, guarding against someone holding Kxx(x) of spades with a singleton diamond. Spade to the queen doesn't seem to leave me well placed if it holds.

Edit: I see the high diamond play in his line now, either it wasn't there before or I just missed it.

yeah, I edited in the ace of diamonds a minute after posting, but before you had added your thoughts.

[Fluffy]

It hink I played this hand in a european junior chanpionship?

I led a spade at trick 2 wich worked out fine. Barry Rigal said it was the practical play, but certainly it has its own risks.

[wank]

yeah it was from torquay 2002 - i played the other line with the dentist coup in diamonds and went off when one player had kx of spades xxx of diamonds.

kx of spades were onside so there was a bit of ridicule when the result appeared in the vugraph room. and yeah they followed it up in the bulletin by saying i should have played a low spade towards the queen.

[gwnn]

spade to Q looks cooler than some dentist. But how exactly was it phrased in the bulletin? Usually they are very cautious in categorically dismissing actions.

[Fluffy]

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 12:05 PM, said:

spade to Q looks cooler than some dentist. But how exactly was it phrased in the bulletin? Usually they are very cautious in categorically dismissing actions.

barry rigal can actually be quite sarcastic and even caustic towards failures.

[gwnn]

Yes he does but it's usually only on vugraph I think? In the bulletins I never saw any harsh criticism, only words like "perhaps he would have done better to..." or "it was an unfortunate action on this deal".

[bluecalm]

I guess you played off one top diamond.
You lose if ♠Kx is with ♦xxx which is quite likely or if somehow someone has void ♦.
Playing ♠ to the queen looks much much better to me.

[Fluffy]

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 12:28 PM, said:

Yes he does but it's usually only on vugraph I think? In the bulletins I never saw any harsh criticism, only words like "perhaps he would have done better to..." or "it was an unfortunate action on this deal".

yeah you are right, on the bulletins he isn't so tought. The only thing that pisses me off is that whenever he reports a hand played by me and dad, a bad play its always done by Gonzalo Goded (me), but when the play is good, it is Federico Goded (dad) who made it. He only guesses right 65% of the time or so hehe.

He writes for the readers, not of rthe people who writes about so it is all normal (understandable?, comprehensibly? not sure if those words exist in english).

[lmilne]

trump from hand, seems more intuitive... any reason why you thought your line was better?

[pooltuna]

wank, on Jun 20 2010, 08:36 PM, said:

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i was looking through some old online bulletins and found this hand where i was accused of playing like a chimp after i went off in 6S (obv you'd like to be in 6D so if they had said my bidding was chimplike they might have been right).

of course it's not unusual for people to slag me off, but normally they have the decency to do it behind my back, not in a championship bulletin, so it's time to clear my name.

how do you play this? can't remember the auction but the opps are silent anyway.


lead is a low club to RHO's king.

well my gut reaction is that low to the ♠Q is automatic

[Fluffy]

hey I found the bulletin, and they don't take you as a chimp, they actually say yours is best line thoretechically or soemthing.


http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/02T...ns/17WedPg2.htm

[gwnn]

haha UR a chimp for thinking they said you were a chimp

[wank]

well they did do a straw poll of the NPCs of both english teams and the result came back i took the wrong line, but ok i did exaggerate a trifle. the vugraph comments were more scathing though (it wasn't a vugraph match - they just saw the board results come up)

[gnasher]

There are three lines, aren't there?

(1) Spade to the queen, planning to guess what to do if it holds.

(2) ♠J, club ruff, ♥A, ♠A, diamonds from the top. Loses when someone has ♠Kxx/Kxxx and 1 diamond, or LHO has ♠Kxxx and 2 diamonds

(3) Ruff two clubs, dentist's coup, trumps from the top. Loses when someone has ♠Kx and ♦xxx, or we lose an extra trump trick through an overruff.

(1) is obviously much worse than the other two, unless you think they're likely to give away the position of the king. That depends upon what you think of the opponents - the range of abilities in a junior European Championship is quite wide.

Comparing (2) with (3), both lines lose against a layout one hand has two spades and three diamonds. However, for (3) to fail, ♠K also has to be in the short hand, whereas for (2) to fail ♠K has to be in the long hand.

The secondary chances of failure probably roughly balance out, so I'd say that (3) is rather better than (2). It's also, I would think, well over 80%.

I like (3).