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Round 4, hands 4. 5. 6

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Posted 2010-November-09, 11:20

Dealer WEst, both vul. West opens 1C after which EW are out of the bidding.

Contracts reached.
6D twice, 4S and 5D



Dealer North, NS vul. East overcalls 2D or 3D if he can, west bids 5H over any spade showing bid by south

5S once,
6S once
6N twice


Dealer East, EW vul, East opens 1D, the do not bid after that

Scoring almost immaterail. All four pairs played 4H, but once by north, other times by south. How much superior is 4H by south?
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Posted 2010-November-09, 13:40

View Postinquiry, on 2010-November-09, 11:20, said:

How much superior is 4H by south?
Basically not at all.
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Posted 2010-November-10, 03:35

Agree with Bradley. The others are too hard to score.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-November-10, 04:25

View Postinquiry, on 2010-November-09, 11:20, said:

How much superior is 4H by south?

It gains when diamonds are 7-0.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-12, 11:07

On Board 4, 6 has a lot of chances, and at matchpoints you would want to be there. It is the top scoring contract, but not a ten. Let's call it an 8. When 6 goes down, so will 3NT most likely, and 3NT should not outscore 5, but 5 is likely to outscore 3NT. The interesting contract is 4, if it makes, it at either ties or beats 5, but 4 has chances to be plus or minus one, or even plus two. I rated 4 as slightly better at matchpoints than 5.

6 = 9
4 = 6
5 = 5
3N = 3
After board 4, TylerE/bidemup move back in first

On Board 5,

5 is top spot, I give it an 8
slams are not so good, I rate them a 2

After Board 5, the Goodwin's jump out to a sizeable lead.

On Board 6,

I am just going to call 4 and 6 and move on. The Goodwin's maintain their advantage.


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Posted 2010-November-12, 12:49

Maybe this is a silly comment (feel free to lol) but on board 5 6NT from the N is superior to any other slam because it will take more points any time it is let through, which is just as often as any other slam?

Also, not sure how much more work this is, but is it possible to get what each pair bid on each hand? I am relying only on memory as to what my side bid and I'm getting old.

EDIT: on the other hand spade slams are likely to be played from the South, where a diamond might be lead at trick 2 more often due to the bidding, so idk.
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Posted 2010-November-12, 16:42

(4.) 6 looks like it needs a lot. We need to pick up trump for starters. Beyond that we need to ruff three clubs, or manage a 4th spade trick along with making the right decision if the A is right. 5 looks more reasonable than 3N.
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