[luke warm]

this is the 2-way minor bids discussed a long time ago.. here are the opening bids, theoretical (or other) comments on playability etc are welcome... responses are left off, would get too long... oh, are any of these gcc illegal? (probably all 2 bids heheh)

1C = 1) any 11+ with clubs; 2) 16-17 balanced; 3) 20-21 balanced

1D = 1) any 11+ with diamonds; 2) 14-15 balanced; 3) 18-19 balanced

1H/D = 5+ pcs, unbalanced

1NT = 10-13

2C = 3 suited with clubs (no 5M)

2D = diamonds and major, 4+

2H = majors (4+) or H and clubs (5+)

2S = spades and clubs or spades (6+)

2NT = minors or any 22+ (help appreciated on the strong bid)

3C = any solid 7, no outside A/K

3D/H/S = preemptive

3NT = minor preempt

4C/D = namyats

4H/S = preemptive

thx for comments

[cherdano]

Just to be sure, are the 2-level bids all weak?

If 1M is unbalanced, do you open 5=3=3=2 with 1 of a minor? Seems to make the 1m openings even more nebulous than in Standard.

[jtfanclub]

The two bids are all 10+?

EDITED to remove the rest, since they weren't 10+ after all. Oops.

[luke warm]

cherdano, on Aug 28 2004, 08:04 PM, said:

Just to be sure, are the 2-level bids all weak?

If 1M is unbalanced, do you open 5=3=3=2 with 1 of a minor? Seems to make the 1m openings even more nebulous than in Standard.

hi... yes the 2 bids are weak (same as weak 2 now).. the 5332 hand is opened 1M or (usually) 1NT if 10-13... judgment is required (in my methods, 2C over 1nt is invitational puppet or garbage stayman)

[Free]

Are the 1m openings forcing or not? And what do you open with 20-21 HCP hands with 5(M)-332? And 22+HCP balanced?

[luke warm]

i didn't want to get into the responses yet, in case i change the openings, but 1C is (the way i see it) forcing, with f/n transfer responses

the 5332 21 count can be opened 1C with a 2NT rebid or 1M, judgment... play puppet over the 2NT rebid

the 22+ is the one i'm not sure about (well, less sure than any)... i'm thinking 2NT to show minors OR 22+... if this is unplayable i'll have to do away with the 2C opening i guess (or add 22+ to the 1C opening)

[laughter]

1) How do you handle the GF opening?
Playing all two level openings weak, you have to play
a. Swedish/Polish 1C (i.e. C / some kind of bal / strong, art)
b. Wide range 1 level opening (opening 1S is forcing, can be made on FG hand)
b. is played by Nunes and Fatoni.
All these treatments have their own drawback (The Nebulous 1C attracts competition; the wide range opening made responses and continuations difficult).

2) 2C opening (3 suited C, weak) can be quite useful as a preempt when it comes up. But it must be a rare occurance (Weak + 3 suiter, a 2-legged parlay).

3) A word about the presumed fit preempt (2C/2D):
a. It may get punished severely when partner doesn't have the presumed fit.
b. When opponents buy the contract, they have free information about distribution and can play the hand better.

4) About the NT bidding:
a. Playing 10-13 means that you have to open 1m with all 14+, you have to open short minors much more frequently than weak or strong notrumpers. Opening short minor is not desirable as responder may not be able to judge the hand in competition.
b. You don't need to play 2-point range at 1 levels. There are enough bidding room to clarify. A 3 point range may be more efficient as it releases more bidding sequences.

5) About 2NT opening:
Oops. I now see that it is the systemic strong bid.
Well, you just cannot handle the strong bid when you have the weak possibility and get to clarify at 3 level.
Eric Kokish has expressed his doubt about the systemic efficiency of the Dutch system where 2C is either strong or weak with D (and some God Know What hands). He said that as pass can't be played as forcing opposite the 2C opening, the strong hand would be difficult to sort out in high level competition.
If 2C (a much lower bid than 2NT) is not very playable as Strong or Weak, the 2NT opening is definitely unplayable (Sorry to be that frank)

[mr1303]

The 1 level structure seems fairly similar to a form of romex that a few friends of mine used to play.

1C = clubs or 12-14 bal
1D = diamonds or 15-17 bal
1H/S = 5 cards, unbalanced
1NT = strong, 18-21, may or may not be balanced

They had a great deal of success with it. I know they played some kind of transfers after 1 of a minor openings