[straube]

Partner opens 1H passed to you

With void KQxx KQJxxxx xx what is your plan?

If you choose 2D, partner bids 3C. What then?

If you choose 3S, partner bids 4H. What then?

[jillybean]

J2nt , partner will respond
min hand, with shortness
any hand, no shortage
max hand, with shortage in m or oM

[CSGibson]

2♦ then 3♥ (assuming we are in a game force at this point). I want to show a source of tricks and heart support. I later plan on cue-bidding spades over 4 hearts.

[straube]

CSGibson, on 2011-February-02, 02:06, said:

2♦ then 3♥ (assuming we are in a game force at this point). I want to show a source of tricks and heart support. I later plan on cue-bidding spades over 4 hearts.

2D must be right. I might luck out with 1H-2D, 2H-3S.

After 1H-2D, 3C-3H, 4H-4S makes sense. Partner is highly likely to have club controls.

After 1H-2D, 2S-3H, 4H I think I have at least a small problem because partner is more likely to be holding spade values.

[Fluffy]

I would bid 2♦ hopefully being able to splinter later. 3♣ at least shows extras so it is fine, 3♥ now and see what next.

It is hard to imagine a hand that is able to reverse in clubs over 2♦ but doesn't like a spade splinter at all.

[gwnn]

2♦, then see what happens.

so partner bids 3♣, I will bid 3♥

[Free]

2♦ followed by 3♥.

My partners never bid 4♥ when I set trumps at 3-level in a GF auction. You have frivolous 3♠/NT to deny slam interest.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

straube, on 2011-February-02, 01:05, said:

Partner opens 1H passed to you

With void KQxx KQJxxxx xx what is your plan?

1H - 3S! ( splinter )

It might go:
1H - 3S!
4C - 4D
??

[mike777]

Bergen 2nt I want pard to tell me her hand.

[gnasher]

Free, on 2011-February-02, 03:35, said:

2♦ followed by 3♥.

My partners never bid 4♥ when I set trumps at 3-level in a GF auction. You have frivolous 3♠/NT to deny slam interest.

Does (or should) 3♥ over 3♣ set hearts as trumps? You have to bid something with xxx Kx AJxxx KQx. 3♠, FSF, would work, but most people in these forums seem to play that as natural.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-02, 08:32, said:

1H - 3S! ( splinter )

It might go:
1H - 3S!
4C - 4D
??

Partner doesn't have to know about your "source of tricks" on this hand.
I know some advocate that, but how can you convince partner later that you have FOUR card support.

Anyway, after the Sp-splinter, if I get the 4C cuebid, I can use the Meckwell Voidwood gadget when Hts are trump and you have a Sp-void:

1H - 3S!
4C - 4NT! ( RKC, excluding the Sp Ace; 4S! would be regular RKC )

[mtvesuvius]

I like 2♦, since if I splinter and partner doesn't cue clubs I'm kinda stuck. Also, it will allow partner to evaluate better, and we'll keep the bidding at a lower level. We can ERKC if necessary later

[MrAce]

gnasher, on 2011-February-02, 09:24, said:

Does (or should) 3♥ over 3♣ set hearts as trumps? You have to bid something with xxx Kx AJxxx KQx. 3♠, FSF, would work, but most people in these forums seem to play that as natural.

To me it does here, as u stated i would use 3♠ otherwise, i dont play it natural.

I would start 2♦ also, and bid 3♥ over 3♣. In our methods 3♣ does not promise extras, and pd is unlikely to bid 4♥ over 3♥ playing serious 3 NT. If he bids 4♥ over 3♥ he denies having 2 keycards in my agreement with Aaron and Cenk. Which pretty much ends the auction for us in this hand. (We will miss that slam if he is void in ♦ and doesnt have ♠ A if ♦ can be established)

[straube]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-February-02, 12:11, said:

I like 2♦, since if I splinter and partner doesn't cue clubs I'm kinda stuck. Also, it will allow partner to evaluate better, and we'll keep the bidding at a lower level. We can ERKC if necessary later

In fact, I was rather stuck. I disagree with my splinter bid, but it did have chances to win.

After 1H-3S, partner downgraded his Kxx AJxxx Ax Axx and signed off in 4H.

I believe that he owed me a 4C bid because he still had a plus hand after discounting the SK. He replied that he was expecting a hand with less trick-taking potential (it's a 4-loser hand after all).

[rduran1216]

straube, on 2011-February-02, 15:15, said:

In fact, I was rather stuck. I disagree with my splinter bid, but it did have chances to win.

After 1H-3S, partner downgraded his Kxx AJxxx Ax Axx and signed off in 4H.

I believe that he owed me a 4C bid because he still had a plus hand after discounting the SK. He replied that he was expecting a hand with less trick-taking potential (it's a 4-loser hand after all).

what would ur partner need to have to like a 3S splinter. If he's downgrading A's in outside suits and AJxxx for a 9 card heart fit idk.

I see adam's point about needing to hear 4C for the splinter to go right, but over 4D I plan to bid 4S and give my partner a chance to bid 6H with Kxxx of clubs, since its being right-sided.

Honestly, the only problem here is how partner viewed his hand after a 3S splinter. I'd be doing backflips with his hand.

[mtvesuvius]

Well the other thing is that splinters need to have some logical limit -- Regardless I think this hand goes over the limit and is way too strong for a splinter.

Whether partner should try or not depends on your splinter style... If you could have anything resembling this hand, partner certainly has to move. In my preferred splinter style, I'd probably sign off as well with your partner's hand.

[Cyberyeti]

straube, on 2011-February-02, 01:05, said:

Partner opens 1H passed to you

With void KQxx KQJxxxx xx what is your plan?

If you choose 2D, partner bids 3C. What then?

If you choose 3S, partner bids 4H. What then?

I bid 3♠ showing specifically a void by our methods, partner will give me an exclusion blackwood response except that he will bid 4♥ with a really bad hand (in the context of his bidding to date and with the knowledge I have a void in spades) and displace the "2 with" response to 4♠.

And 3 working aces is a huge hand in context, so the auction goes 1♥-3♠-3N(0/3)-4♥(signoff opposite 0, but expecting 3, best way of getting partner to cue extras)-5♥(not A♠ or a non ♠ K, 3 non ♠ aces)-7♥

[dake50]

I kind of admire the devious C-splinter, then keys ask to 6H.

[Free]

gnasher, on 2011-February-02, 09:24, said:

Free, on 2011-February-02, 03:35, said:

2♦ followed by 3♥.

My partners never bid 4♥ when I set trumps at 3-level in a GF auction. You have frivolous 3♠/NT to deny slam interest.

Does (or should) 3♥ over 3♣ set hearts as trumps? You have to bid something with xxx Kx AJxxx KQx. 3♠, FSF, would work, but most people in these forums seem to play that as natural.

In my partnership 1M-2♦ usually shows a good 6 card suit (only 5♦ with fit), and we play artificial rebids by opener. But even without that agreement I would take 3♥ as trump setting in this situation, since 4th suit is available. I don't really see the point in playing the 4th suit natural here, since opener has denied a 4 card ♠ and we promissed good ♦ (I suppose, since the tendency is to bid 1M-2♣ if you don't have a good suit).

This is not the same situation as 1♥-1♠-3♦ for example, where 3♥ can easily be a waiting bid.