[gwnn]

x
AKJx
AJxx
KJxx

1♦-1♥
1NT-?

Sorry but you didn't agree to play anything here with this partner and you don't trust his "general bridge knowledge" to recognise which follow-ups to nmf are forcing and which not (if he indeed plays nmf). You have one chance of setting the final contract, will it be:
3N?
6D?
6N?

oh yes, matchpoints.

[kayin801]

Is our assumption that whatever we bid, partner will pass, even if it's crazy to pass? 3NT then, at least the contract is right-sided.

Hopefully this partner has enough sense to not pass something that is impossible (say, 2♠, though that's of course an absurd bid) which might let us get a little more information before placing the contract.

[gwnn]

I mean there's a good chance that partner will take 2C as nmf but there's a good chance that if you bid like

1♦-1♥
1NT-2♣
2NT-3♦

he will pass.

[mtvesuvius]

6♦, gflp

[kayin801]

gwnn, on 2011-February-24, 11:31, said:

I mean there's a good chance that partner will take 2C as nmf but there's a good chance that if you bid like

1♦-1♥
1NT-2♣
2NT-3♦

he will pass.

Yeah, if I get this auction through 2NT then partner PROBABLY has 4 diamonds, so 6♦ seems better, like what Adam said, since we're control rich and less seems wasted in spades.

[inquiry]

Assumption. Partner doesn't have 4♥, nor 4♠, so he has at least 4♦ for his opening bid.

This hand is a great fit for diamonds. No guarantee but with a lot of Zar points in support of diamonds (been a while since mentioned zar's). Assume partner has 26 zars (his minimum) we have 23 pt zars, 11 distribution, 5 fit points for 39. Then 39+26=65 zars. In theory, small slam needs only 62 zar poitns. Normally I would want to investigate before bidding slam, but we have control of all the side suits so if I had to place the contract I would bid 6♦ now. This is of course not the correct bid with this hand, but is the correct bid in response to the question as given.

[bluecalm]

Intuitively 6D but I wouldn't be surprised if 6NT is a winner.

[wank]

inquiry, on 2011-February-24, 11:58, said:

Assumption. Partner doesn't have 4♥, nor 4♠, so he has at least 4♦ for his opening bid.

that he doesn't have 4♠ seems like a big assumption. i was under the impression noone non-french rebid 1♠ with a balanced hand, but recently i've learned that's not universal, still who knows how this partner plays?

more importantly, we know he's got 4 diamonds as soon as he doesn't raise hearts.

oh and i'm not tempted by anything other than 6 diamonds

[aguahombre]

wank, on 2011-February-24, 12:16, said:

that he doesn't have 4♠ seems like a big assumption. i was under the impression noone non-french rebid 1♠ with a balanced hand, but recently i've learned that's not universal, still who knows how this partner plays?

more importantly, we know he's got 4 diamonds as soon as he doesn't raise hearts.

oh and i'm not tempted by anything other than 6 diamonds

The second paragraph is right, and the third paragraph seems to be reasonable given the OP conditions.

The first paragraph is fodder for a good debate on a different thread. The subject has been approached before, but I don't think in-depth.

[jh51]

If you hold a gun to my head and force me to choose one of your 3 bids - 6♦

How much do I trust or not trust partner's general bridge knowledge? What would he do with a 4333 hand (4♠) and 12-14 HCP? I open such hands 1♣. If I open 1♦, I have either 4+♦ or 4432 shape. If that is what I expect from partner, I now know he has 4+♦ as he does not have the 4432 shape. (Surely he would support me with 4♥.) I disagree with wank's reasoning (I and some of my partners will bid 1NT with 4342 or 4243 shape.), but not his conclusion.

[manudude03]

6D, would sooner bid 7D than bid 6N.

[gwnn]

jh51, on 2011-February-24, 14:23, said:

What would he do with a 4333 hand (4♠) and 12-14 HCP? I open such hands 1♣. If I open 1♦, I have either 4+♦ or 4432 shape. If that is what I expect from partner, I now know he has 4+♦ as he does not have the 4432 shape.

He definitely has 4 or 5 diamonds.

[Gerben42]

Matchpoints? Then 6♦.

[JLOGIC]

bluecalm, on 2011-February-24, 12:03, said:

Intuitively 6D but I wouldn't be surprised if 6NT is a winner.

6N with 17 and no 5 card suit opposite 12 to 14? I would be very surprised if that was a winner. Maybe this is too basic but to me 29-31 with no 5 card suit (partner possibly having one) is unlikely to produce 6N.

[Fluffy]

6N is nuts, look at what Justin is saying.

Today I had ♠Qxxx ♥Ax ♦A109x ♣KJx

I opened 1♦, rebid 1NT over 1♥ and PASSED partner's quantitative 4NT, knowing that he will most likelly have 18 balanced. And right I was. 6NT is totally hopeless.

Obviously partner should have 19, but knowing your partner is never a bad thing


So on this deal I bid 6♦, I feel inspired because I guessed right 3 of these hands today.

[FrancesHinden]

wank, on 2011-February-24, 12:16, said:

that he doesn't have 4♠ seems like a big assumption. i was under the impression noone non-french rebid 1♠ with a balanced hand, but recently i've learned that's not universal, still who knows how this partner plays?

more importantly, we know he's got 4 diamonds as soon as he doesn't raise hearts.

oh and i'm not tempted by anything other than 6 diamonds

The Norwegians all rebid a spade with a balanced hand.
It's also standard American style to do so, although many modern Americans don't.

[gwnn]

6♦ is a solid contract.

partner had KTx of spades and 11 outside tricks (5 diamonds 4 hearts and two clubs: KTx Qxx KQTxx AT). If he guesses/reads clubs he makes. I bid 6♦ and my RHO lead the ♠A, but I don't think she'd have done it vs 6N.

After the board I asked my partner what we played over 1NT and he said he has always played 2♦ as nat NF and 2♣ as art GF. Which was weird since a while ago we played 5-10 sessions together with XYZ.

[bluecalm]

Yup, I don't know I thought 6NT could be winner. Looks retarded to me now :-)

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The Norwegians all rebid a spade with a balanced hand.

In Poland it's also standard regardless of 1D opener (in Poland some people play it's 5+ and some that it's 4+).

[gwnn]

Well 6♦= was enough for a big fat avg. most people who bid 6NT made it.

[tolvyrj]

I dont understand two things; why dont u trust u prd, who else r u going to trust after all prd is the only guy in the table that even pretends to be on u side. But ok if u want my lottery guess its 6D, its better than 6Nt if prd is flat minimum and its not so much worse than 3Nt than it shld not be tried in matchpoints. Thats what im going to say to prd when he asks me wheter im drunk or mad after the board.
And the second thing i dont understand; who can u assume that prd can have 4S cards in this auction. At least not here in Finland nor anywhere else in Scandinavia.