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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-May-15, 13:57

All red, you receive:

AKQ98
A3
KJ42
K5

3-3NT-Pa-5
Pa-???

Do you agree with 3NT? What hand do you picture your partner having? What's your call now?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-May-15, 15:47

No i dont agree with 3 Nt, hand is too strong and so is my shape. And look what happened, prd bid 5 . Now im guessing what is right; since 4 would have been forcing too IMO, 5 must promise at least six card suit and wheter or not prd hopes that i have K of slam must have some possibilities so i will bid it, 6 .
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Posted 2011-May-15, 17:23

Even though a diamond ruff seems impossible, I think I'd stick to my gut feeling of 6NT.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 17:41

I am ok with 3NT. Would probably have doubled but w/e.

Now I pass. Yes I have 20 points but beyond that my hand is not that great for a club slam and 5 is not encouraging.
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Posted 2011-May-15, 18:30

If u hv some choices to bid,3N is one of them bid 3N wd be the best.
For this hand u hv three choices probably:3\DBL\3N.obviously PD almost doesnt hv stopper,if u bid 3 or DBL,PD wd bid something over 3N.
It's not easy to decide which bid wd be the best after 5. 6?7?6N?PASS?
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Posted 2011-May-16, 01:29

I agree with 3NT.

I can't see what double is supposed to achieve, or what you're going to bid on the next round. dbl-3-3NT shows a flexible hand, suggesting 3-card heart support and a single diamond stop. Dbl-3-3 will never get us to 3NT and may not get us to game. Dbl-4-4 also doesn't get us to 3NT.

When partner bids 5 opposite my 3NT, I pass. If he had AQxxxx, he would pass 3NT. 5 is likely to be a long, topless suit without a side entry, that is a hand which he thinks will be useless in 3NT. eg x Jxxx x QJ10xxxx or x Jxx x QJ10xxxxx.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 12:17

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Posted 2011-May-16, 12:37

 gnasher, on 2011-May-16, 01:29, said:

When partner bids 5 opposite my 3NT, I pass. If he had AQxxxx, he would pass 3NT. 5 is likely to be a long, topless suit without a side entry, that is a hand which he thinks will be useless in 3NT. eg x Jxxx x QJ10xxxx or x Jxx x QJ10xxxxx.


Agree. I think that pass is clear.
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Posted 2011-May-16, 15:15

It's a bit heavy for 3NT but I'd like a 6th spade to double then bid spades. Perhaps you could double and bid NT, but you're probably still going to end up in 5C by the sound of it. I pass 5C - it's a weak bid, so if you bid 6 you may well be off two cashing aces (if the other diamonds are 1-1).

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Posted 2011-May-17, 05:18

I think you have to pass 5. Yes 6 may well make if either partner or leader is void in diamonds, but QJ to lots clubs is his most likely holding. I have no problems with the 3N bid.
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Posted 2011-May-17, 06:34

Contrast <3D> 3N <P> 4C. Then slamming.
With <3D> 3N <P> 5C.
Did partner have an option to differentiate his choice?
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Posted 2011-May-20, 06:52

3N very reasonable call and probably best btn
x 3s 3n

after 5c have to PASS. p did not pull from 3n
lightly and I would not be surprised to see
a hand similar to xx xx x Qxxxxxxx.
xx xx x Axxxxxxx would be good enough
to bid 4c and try for slam.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 19:06

 Hanoi5, on 2011-May-15, 13:57, said:

All red, you receive:

AKQ98
A3
KJ42
K5

3-3NT-Pa-5
Pa-???

Do you agree with 3NT? What hand do you picture your partner having? What's your call now?



- I agree with 3 NT

-Passing 5 or bidding on totally depends on the style of 5 bidder. When i first joined to forums i argued 2 similar hands for passing, because in my style 5 means "pd if u have everything i need maybe we can make it and in 3 NT my hand is trickless" However when i asked to some very good players, majority of them plays such 5 minor jumps contructive.

So if your pd is someone like me pass, if your pd is a believer of "no gambling 5 minor bids except than saving" then i think you could bid on with this.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 19:16

 ArtK78, on 2011-May-16, 12:37, said:

Agree. I think that pass is clear.


I second that and also agree with the original 3NT.
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Posted 2011-May-22, 17:54

Even if partner had xx Kxxx x AQxxxx, you would need trumps to break 3=2 (with LHO having three).
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Posted 2011-May-23, 05:03

3Nt/pass

3Nt can be bid quite heavy so i have extras but nothing to get excited. Partner bid is really not foward going. Hes mostly saying taht from his side 5C look better tahn 3Nt thats all.
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