Weekly Matchpoints: 3 ATB
#2
Posted 2011-June-09, 07:42
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#3
Posted 2011-June-09, 07:55
If 1NT can contain a 4 card major, it is the responsibility of South to locate the 4-4 fit,
so it would be his fault.
If North by passed spades against partnership agreement, it would be his fault.
If you locate the fit, it should be possible to reach 6S, did not think long enough over it,
I am not overly concerned about missing 6NT, although North could sell his hand as max.,
accepting the invite.
But more important is the answer to the question, who was reponsible for missing the spade fit.
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#4
Posted 2011-June-09, 08:05
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#5
Posted 2011-June-09, 08:25
edit|: never mind, I see you are playing weak nt
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#6
Posted 2011-June-09, 08:29
A reasonable continuation might resolve all issues anyway:
1♣-1♦
1NT-2♠
3♠-cue...RKCB
Ideally, though, the partnership might include some sort of better unwind. For example, after 2♠, perhaps Opener rebidding 2NT should be reserved for agreeing spades. Then, you have lots more space to unwind this thing. But, as this is Beginner-Intermediate, I digress.
-P.J. Painter.
#7
Posted 2011-June-09, 10:04
OK... North might decide the good 16 and fitting diamond honor is enough to go on, so North gets 15% of the charge.
Good hand for the system. North bid perfectly by showing the strong NT and not the four spades at the 2nd round.
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#9
Posted 2011-June-09, 13:11
Phil, on 2011-June-09, 10:04, said:
OK... North might decide the good 16 and fitting diamond honor is enough to go on, so North gets 15% of the charge.
Good hand for the system. North bid perfectly by showing the strong NT and not the four spades at the 2nd round.
Disagree with a lot of this, play a decent system, S should bid 2♣ asking over 1N. If you're playing crowhurst or similar N bids 3♠ (or 2N then 3♠ depending on which version) to show a maximum 1N rebid with 4 spades.
If I'm not playing this, N can scarcely be bigger for his 1N rebid, AK, A, KQ >> 16 and you have intermediates as well so N should be bidding on over 4N. If it was me, I'd bid 6♠ over 4N which really must be 4 good ones offering choice of contract.
#10
Posted 2011-June-09, 13:35
#11
Posted 2011-June-09, 15:50
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#12
Posted 2011-June-09, 16:34
kenrexford, on 2011-June-09, 15:50, said:
Many people give a blackwood response if accepting a 4N, I felt 6♠ was unambiguous.
Also I forgot it was a 2 card club, in my world of a 4 card club, partner won't have 4 in this sequence.
#13
Posted 2011-June-09, 16:44
Cyberyeti, on 2011-June-09, 13:11, said:
Does it really matter a whole lot if we use checkback or just make a simple reverse? If North has to rebid 3♠ to show a maximum over a checkback, well I guess the South hand is good enough to take control, but on another hand he may not.
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#14
Posted 2011-June-09, 17:44
Also South might consider investigating a diamond fit. At matchpoints I would have bid 4NT also. At IMPs I might have considered reversing into 2♠ and see if opener can support diamonds.
As it happens it is best if South plays the contract so that ♥AQ are protected against the lead, but South can't really see that. If the choice is between a notrump and a diamond contract then maybe North needs to declare in case of a spade lead. So that could be a reason for South to forget about the diamonds and just invite for a notrump slam, as he did.
Anyway, North has a quite good 16 count so he needs to bid 6NT over South's 4NT.
#15
Posted 2011-June-10, 01:27
Phil, on 2011-June-09, 16:44, said:
In a sense yes it does, 3♠ is specifically 4324 which could be vital info (denies 4♥/3♦/5♣) playing crowhurst, so partner can tell immediately which strain to play in.
Why down-vote a perfectly sensible question by a new BBF member with only 15 posts?
Anyway, IMO, the blame on this deal is mostly North's:
North should consider rebidding 1♠ with such concentrated values.
South should not be blamed for failing to introduce a poor suit in a potential slam auction.
North should probably accept South's try.