[rduran1216]

here are both hands, ideally which contract would you like to be in?

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[hrothgar]

rduran1216, on 2011-June-06, 10:27, said:

here are both hands, ideally which contract would you like to be in?

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I would like to be defending 7NXX

On a somewhat more serious note, 7D looks pretty good

[cherdano]

Is this a trick question? 7♦ makes on diamonds 4-2 or better and hearts 3-1 or better, and no other grand is good, plus some other combinations of red suit distributions. No other grand is good.

[Phil]

7♦> 7N > 7♥ at any form of scoring.

Deciding the best contract isn't an A/E issue, but getting there could be:

1. If South opens 2♣ it seems that the auction would start:

2♣ - 2♦
2♥* - 2♠*
3♥ - 4♦?
4♥ - 4N
5♠? - ?

*Kokish

7♦ is still the best spot even if partner has the singleton ♦A. I could even see 4N over 3♥

2. If North opens:

1♦ - 1♥
1♠ - 2♣
2N - 3♥
3N -

Now what?

[JLOGIC]

cherdano, on 2011-June-06, 10:35, said:

Is this a trick question? 7♦ makes on diamonds 4-2 or better and hearts 3-1 or better, and no other grand is good, plus some other combinations of red suit distributions. No other grand is good.

Well, he asked which contract you'd like to be in without specifying scoring. I imagine that 6N is probably the nuts at matchpoints...it always beats 6H, and loses to 7H when hearts are 2-2. Compare that to 7D which also loses to 7H when hearts are 2-2, but only beats 6H when you get not 5-1 diamonds.

The only way 7D might become better than 6N is if enough of the field is in 6N or 7D. I doubt that there are many fields where anyone will be in either of those contracts.

[JLOGIC]

Amusingly, I had an auction yesterday that might have had a similar theme to this hand.

1D* 1S
2C 2H*
3C 3S
4H 4N
5C 5D
5S 6S

1D=2+ limited to 15
2H=art gf
4H=good hand for spades
5C=1/4
5D=Q ask
5S=No

At this point I was thinking I wish I had KQJxx of a minor, so that I could convert to 7 of that minor (as I know partner has the ace, and that we are just off the SQ). for example Kx x KQJTx KQxxx I could bid 7D for sure. I am not sure why I had this thought since my hand was xx A KJ9xx Kxxxx lol.

So I imagine one method of getting to 7D would have south keycarding, queen asking, and then signing off and partner bidding 7D. This would require south to know his partner had a stiff heart though probably.

[Mbodell]

rduran1216, on 2011-June-06, 10:27, said:

here are both hands, ideally which contract would you like to be in?

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6nt was my thought, but I see how 7♦ is likely much better at imps and possibly better at mp.

[P_Marlowe]

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[rduran1216]

I'd like to be in 7D too, can anyone see a conceivable auction where you get there?

[Mbodell]

rduran1216, on 2011-June-06, 23:46, said:

I'd like to be in 7D too, can anyone see a conceivable auction where you get there?

I can with one partner (cheating by using relays):

1♣ - 1♥ (forcing 16+; 8+ HCP, 2+ controls, 4+ spades)
1♠ - 2♣ (relay; 4+ diamonds)
2♦ - 2♥ (relay; 5+ diamonds, 4 spades)
2♠ - 2nt (relay; short suit is hearts)
3♣ - 3♦ (relay; 4153)
3♥ - 3nt (relay; 3 controls - at this point 6nt is safe, so explore for 7 something)
4♥ - 4♠ (super viking relay; both or neither of ♦KQ)
4nt - 5♦ (relay; one of ♠KQ, both or neither of ♣KQ)
5♥ - 5♠ (relay; both or neither of ♥KQ)
5nt - 6♦ (relay; ♦J not the ♠J)
7♦

I know the hand opposite is:
Kaaa b KQJaa KQb

where the a's are T and lower and the B's are J and lower.

[mike777]

rduran1216, on 2011-June-06, 23:46, said:

I'd like to be in 7D too, can anyone see a conceivable auction where you get there?

maybe maybe:


2c=3d?
7d

[gnasher]

I got as far as:

2♣-3♦ (strong / positive, forcing to 4NT)
3♥-3♠
4♥-5♣ (natural F1 / cue)
5♦-5NT (cue / RKCB)

but then it would probably go:

6♠-7NT (2 or 5 with the queen)

I think opener should show the queen of trumps because he's probably opposite a doubleton. Unfortunately, however, responder will now think that there are 12 tricks in high cards, so he'll bid 7NT rather than offering a choice of suit contracts.

If opener decided not to show the queen of trumps, it would instead go:

6♥-7♦ (2 or 5 without the queen)
pass

[Zelandakh]

Very nice Mobodell. My auction is similar except that I show controls in a more traditional way, using Q/J asks once all of the AK controls turn up.

1C = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
... - 1H = 4+ spades, GF
1S = relay, usually 18+
... - 2C = 4+ diamonds
2D = relay
... - 2H = 4 spades, 5+ diamonds
2S = relay
... - 2N = 5 diamonds
3C = relay
... - 3D = 4153
3H = relay
... - 4C = extras, 3 controls
4N = Q ask
... - 5H = CQ, DQ, no HQ
5N = J ask
... - 6C = no JC
6D = DJ? (forcing)
... - 6H = DJ, no HJ
7D

Responder's hand is Kaaa, b, KQJbb, KQb where a = Q or lower and b = 10 or lower. Even so, I would not at all mind being in 6NT here and would expect it to give a good score.

[nige1]

rduran1216 wrote...
Here are both hands [N-S], ideally which contract would you like to be in?

IMO...
7♦ will usually be OK but needing a good score, at pairs, in an expert field, you might try 7N
With these E-W hands only a heart lead defeats it.

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