[losercover]

Both sides vulnerable. I open: pass,pass, 1C, 1D
2D,pass, 3C, pass
3S
What is 3S and is it forcing?

[Hanoi5]

You mean:

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Then you were dealer. You passed originally, yet you made a cue-bid which usually shows support and at least an 11 HCP hand (maybe 10 in this case). I don't understand 3♠ it looks forcing unless 2♦ shows the Majors, but that's not normal. I'll have to get creative to find a meaning for such a bid:

1. More spades than hearts 'cause 2♦ was Michael's (?)
2. Spade cue-bid.
3. Spade stopper ask for 3NT
4. 4 Spades and 5 clubs offering the second black suit in case opener holds 4 cards (?)

Weird. I guess I'd bid 4♣, but this will prompt a discussion with partner or a log-off after finishing the hand.

[aguahombre]

If the auction is as Hanoi graphed, then North found another Ace after passing originally. South knows about the alleged max pass with club support, and signed off in 3C. That ended the auction.

If North had four spades and long clubs, he could have bid 1S over the 1D overcall.

[Flameous]

I think that if KQxx xx x KQxxxx isn't already an opening for you, this sequence shows it.

[aguahombre]

Flameous, on 2011-June-28, 17:53, said:

I think that if KQxx xx x KQxxxx isn't already an opening for you, this sequence shows it.

Yeh, but only in the context that opener could pass a 1/1 spade response. I forgot that a lot of people prefer to be able to do that after opening in 3rd seat.

[losercover]

Hanoi graphed the hand correctly, thanks. The 3C was a signoff. What is the meaning of 3S over 3C?

[Phil]

losercover, on 2011-June-28, 17:59, said:

Hanoi graphed the hand correctly, thanks. The 3C was a signoff. What is the meaning of 3S over 3C?

AQx, x, xx, Kxxxxxx? But I can't imagine making the call.

[cloa513]

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Hanoi5, on 2011-June-28, 17:20, said:

You mean:

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Then you were dealer. You passed originally, yet you made a cue-bid which usually shows support and at least an 11 HCP hand (maybe 10 in this case). I don't understand 3♠ it looks forcing unless 2♦ shows the Majors, but that's not normal. I'll have to get creative to find a meaning for such a bid:

1. More spades than hearts 'cause 2♦ was Michael's (?)
2. Spade cue-bid.
3. Spade stopper ask for 3NT
4. 4 Spades and 5 clubs offering the second black suit in case opener holds 4 cards (?)

Weird. I guess I'd bid 4♣, but this will prompt a discussion with partner or a log-off after finishing the hand.

Assuming the bidding is half-normal how about


♣xxxx
♦AK10x
♥KJ10
♠10xx
Too good to sign off in 3♣ and not good enough to open. Partner is unlikely to cue diamonds for cover.

[nige1]

IMO For the moment, 3♠ is forcing and shows a maximum pass with good ♣, a spade stop (or control), probably a diamond stop, but denies a ♥ stop e.g.
♠ATx ♥ xx ♦ QJ9x ♣ Axxx

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[losercover]

Based on the responses, I can assume I bid the hand wrong. I had KQXXXX, KXXX, VOID, XXX. I had a choice of opening in first seat 1S, 2s or pass. I don't like opening in first seat on 8 HCP or bidding 2S with 4 hearts. There is a risk of the hand being passed out or a confusing (what I made) rebid.

[aguahombre]

losercover, on 2011-June-28, 19:40, said:

Based on the responses, I can assume I bid the hand wrong. I had KQXXXX, KXXX, VOID, XXX. I had a choice of opening in first seat 1S, 2s or pass. I don't like opening in first seat on 8 HCP or bidding 2S with 4 hearts. There is a risk of the hand being passed out or a confusing (what I made) rebid.

If (reasonably) you didn't want to open a weak two with 4 of the other major (Some of us have given up worrying about that), then 1S seems just right after:

P (P) 1C (1D)

[jogs]

losercover, on 2011-June-28, 17:03, said:

Both sides vulnerable. I open: pass,pass, 1C, 1D
2D,pass, 3C, pass
3S
What is 3S and is it forcing?

With no prior agreement, there's no such auction. You are trying to confuse partner. If partner went wrong, it's your fault.

[whereagles]

I would say a wierd hand with lots of distribution and 5♣ still in the picture.

Axx
x
Axxx
Qxxxx

hoping for, say,

KQxx
xxxx
x
AKxx

across. Bit of a stretch, but you get the picture.

[barmar]

Could he show that kind of hand with this auction:

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The double shows both majors, and then 3♠ shows longer spades.

Or maybe this:

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[Free]

Just keep things simple and bid 1♠ instead of 2♦. For me, your auction means you have ♣ support, some ♠ values, probably a ♦ stopper, and looking for 3NT.

[gordontd]

cloa513, on 2011-June-28, 18:06, said:

♣
Assuming the bidding is half-normal how about


♣xxxx
♦AK10x
♥KJ10
♠10xx
Too good to sign off in 3♣ and not good enough to open. Partner is unlikely to cue diamonds for cover.

Is there any particular reason for putting the hand record upside-down?{edit - I've just noticed you have a fourteenth card in there too}

In what way are you too good to pass out 3♣? You've shown your strength and partner has declined to bid on.

However you might well have bid 2NT on the previous round - then you wouldn't be worrying about your undisclosed diamond stopper.

This post has been edited by gordontd: 2011-June-30, 10:52

[P_Marlowe]

losercover, on 2011-June-28, 17:59, said:

Hanoi graphed the hand correctly, thanks. The 3C was a signoff. What is the meaning of 3S over 3C?

Hi,

If 2D already showed the support, than 3C was a sign of.
3S is just saying p, I have dream cards, if you just declined the invite,
because I happened to a passed hand, have a look again.

Most likely it shoudl also show spade values.

Bidding that way makes only sense, if you dont believe in weak 3rd hand
openers in a minor, which is a sensible view point.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: With actual hand, the first pass was ok, but the 2D bid was ...,
unless you have agreed to play it as showing both majors, in which case
it would have been great, if you would have mentioned this in the first
place, but I guess 2D was just forcing.

[pooltuna]

Too bad you weren't playing negative doubles over 1♦. It seems to me to make mince meat of this hand.

[olegru]

10-11 points, good ♣ support, ♦ shortness, ♠ control.