[cloa513]

aguahombre, on 2011-August-02, 19:43, said:

Following the thread a little more closely, we find that he doesn't need even the AK of diamonds, and doesn't need any club spots. AXX - KQXXX XXXX was plenty.

That's the sort of hand to cue so high anyway. Any stronger or less distributional and he should cue lower.

[cherdano]

gnasher, on 2011-July-28, 02:02, said:

In particular, I don't think we can infer that he has fewer than four spades. If he were 4045 or 4054, there would be no benefit to playing in spades, and it would risk a bad trump break or a diamond ruff. A negative double might lead to a stupid result defending 2♥x, and it might be hard for him to show his diamond support later.

Just to pick out the small detail where I disagree a bit with Andy: with a heart void, I don't think partner should be worried about defending 2♥X all that much - most of the time, his LHO (our RHO) is going to raise anyway with his 3+card support. (Still I agree that he might choose to bid 4♥ with 4054 anyway.)

[JLOGIC]

Yeah this is tough, first instinct was 4S obv, but I really would want a slam force. If partner bids 5C and I bid 6D we could easily be off 2 keycards which seems dumb. Maybe if he just bids 5C I'm supposed to bid 5D since he didnt have enough to bid 4N keycard? Also if he bids 5C and RHO doesn't double, he might lead a spade for that reason.

Also if I bid 4S and partner bids 5D I have to bid 6 since he doesn't have club values, and if LHO is smart they will lead a spade on that auction instantly...but most LHOs aren't smart so thats ok, more of a problem is that we still just might not have enough.

My other option is to just keycard, I still might get a club lead and at least then I won't be in slam off too many keycards. All in all I like 4S though, maybe depending on opps. I will sign off over 5C and drive over 5D and hope partner just bids 4N in reality.

[JLOGIC]

Now I have read the thread, I see people are suggesting signing off, that seems really conservative to me but I'll think about it some more.

[gszes]

im going with 4n

If p has a hand like xxx void AKQxx KQJxx we are too high
already anyway so getting to 6d -2 probably not much worse
than 5d down 1

if p shows 0 or 3 I am going to bid 7d since it is either a 4 5 or 7 hand
since it is extremely unlikely p has opted to avoid showing a 4 card spade
suit headed by the A.

If p has 2 it is my guess that 6 dia is best. Even if p has xxx void AKQxx KQJxx
it will take a spade lead to beat it and 5d is too high already.

If p has one 5d is it and hope we not too high. This would be much scarier if
our suit was clubs:))