[Mbodell]

In a long team KO match the N/S pair have already messed up kickback the two times it occurred [although those times it was a case of not being sure what the trump suit was and if it was kickback or not], when this deal happens (I know the auction is right, I think the hands are right modulo spots):

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The 5H bid was preceded by a sigh and a reluctant "oh well". 6♥= on a diamond lead (the ♣A is onside, the black queens are off, but one of declarers clubs goes on a top spade).

[WellSpyder]

West didn't find a small club lead, then?

As far as the auction is concerned, I would like to ask South why he over-ruled North. If he says he realised he had given the wrong response on the previous round then I would like to ask him when he realised. (I assume there was no explanation of the 5♣ bid from his partner during the auction or we would have been told.) But I don't see why "Oh well" should have woken him up, and I don't necessarily see anything wrong with the auction. [Edit: to expand the final point a bit, isn't there an implicit, albeit unspoken, "oh well" in every Blackwood sequence that is followed by a sign-off at the 5-level?]

[Zelandakh]

I am rather interested to know what South thought their 5C bid meant. Not a cue bid; not a normal Blackwood response; and it would seem impossible to miscount the proper response by 2 steps.

[nige1]

Mbodell relates "In a long team KO match the N/S pair have already messed up kickback the two times it occurred [although those times it was a case of not being sure what the trump suit was and if it was kickback or not], when this deal happens (I know the auction is right, I think the hands are right modulo spots):
The 5H bid was preceded by a sigh and a reluctant "oh well". 6♥= on a diamond lead (the ♣A is onside, the black queens are off, but one of declarers clubs goes on a top spade)."

On the facts available, IMO, the director should roll back the contract to 5♥ and consider additional penalties.

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[wyman]

Have to ask what S thought 5C meant. If he thought this was 14,30 then he should be raising anyway. If he thought this was a cuebidding sequence (and actively psyched 5C), then partner has signed off after he gave the most positive response possible; he can probably raise with 3 keycards including DAK.

With no other info, I don't see how it's ever really a LA to south to pass 5H, whatever he thinks this sequence means. [But I'd make sure south could tell me why he raised].

And I don't penalize north either -- this sort of attempt at KC and then sigh and make a comment as you sign off, while inappropriate, is common enough (especially in casual games) that it doesn't really offend me. PPs should be reserved for much more sinister acts than this, imho.

[bluejak]

South has UI from North. So, 2 questions. Does the UI suggest bidding 6♥ over passing? Is pass an LA?

We need two Yes's to adjust.

[ahydra]

I'd like to ask South why he bid 5C - the UI might wake South up to the fact he's shown the wrong number of keycards. But I don't think pass is an LA.

What do the Laws say with regard to a player realising a mistake? That is, if there was no UI, surely South is allowed to think to himself "oops, that showed 1 or 4 and I actually have 2" and go on to 6H?

ahydra

[bluejak]

The Laws say you compare what players of similar ability and style playing similar methods would call and would consider calling.

[Mbodell]

ahydra, on 2011-August-03, 02:59, said:

I'd like to ask South why he bid 5C - the UI might wake South up to the fact he's shown the wrong number of keycards. But I don't think pass is an LA.

The ruling at the table was results stand.

Both my partner and I felt that the UI did in fact indicate an implicit (I.e., unintentional) undertone of "Wow, that's less than I expected you to have, did you really only have 1 key card?" which might well suggest rechecking the answer (especially since there was the BIT before the answer suggesting uncertainty about the answer).

I was considering appealing the answer if the hand made a difference (I've heard mixed opinions IRL on if the appeal would be successful, but the majority think it wouldn't), but fortunately we won the match so the appeal was made moot.

[aguahombre]

I don't think South showed the wrong number of keycards. South's answer and North's actual hand bear out that his splinter followed by kickback was intended as exclusion. Thus, South has 1. If North kept his mouth shut thereafter, South could decide whatever he wanted based on extra heart length, or whatever.

But, when North flapped his yap, he might have created the (wrong) impression that this time their kickback screwup was about exclusion. So, South having the Diamond Ace was possibly acting on that UM (unauthorized misinformation). Gotta roll back.