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Expert Quiz #001 Best logic for why wins

Poll: How do you play the club suit, and why (10 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you play the club suit, and why

  1. Low to the club Jack (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Club King then low to the club Ace (3 votes [30.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  3. Club King then low, playing the club Jack if East plays low club (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. Club to ACE, then club back to King (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Club to Ace, then jack of club, running it if WEST plays low (4 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  6. Spade Ace, spade ruff, run the jack of clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (2 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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Posted 2004-October-01, 23:42

luke warm, on Oct 1 2004, 06:11 PM, said:

Flame, on Oct 1 2004, 09:10 PM, said:

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n/b only really bad players would cover with Qxx, so its nearly hopeless to play J and hope something good happend.

it doesn't really matter if they cover or not, if you've made up your mind to either finesse on the way back or play for the drop, nothing's lost by the play...

Well you need entries for it which isnt something you have too many of.
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Posted 2004-October-02, 07:23

I think pclayton said it all, everything about the best play of the deal and how the deal would be played in std circunstances :).

BTW Phil, could you help me with pavlicek´s problems this month? I can´t figure any of them at all after a hour research.
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Posted 2004-October-02, 09:27

Fluffy, on Oct 2 2004, 08:23 AM, said:

I think pclayton said it all, everything about the best play of the deal and how the deal would be played in std circunstances :).

BTW Phil, could you help me with pavlicek´s problems this month? I can´t figure any of them at all after a hour research.

Im glad you think this was because this was also my line, and it didnt took me hours , so maybe im not getting old like i thought.
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Posted 2004-October-02, 12:43

Fluffy, on Oct 2 2004, 05:23 AM, said:

I think pclayton said it all, everything about the best play of the deal and how the deal would be played in std circunstances :).

BTW Phil, could you help me with pavlicek´s problems this month? I can´t figure any of them at all after a hour research.

Hi Fluffy; haven't even looked at them yet. I suppose the bidding problems from last month are just about scored.

Maybe we can post them here and give each other feedback? Any copyright issues?
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Posted 2004-October-03, 10:00

Posting answers can lead to loads of 60 scores I think, I have been participating on last 3 carding problems with the main purpose of beating my good friend Jordi Sabate, we both scored 53+ points on all of teh quizzs and I am completelly sure we would had found the good anser for all if we talked about them.

But this month is different, I can´t see any of them (actually hasn´t spend enough time by now), there is a small issue that maybe someon can help me, when it says south is doing something horrible at first trricks... it makes he has made a mistake or that he is cooking a big deceptive play?.
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Posted 2004-October-06, 19:27

Well Ben - what are your thoughts on this??
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Posted 2004-October-06, 19:55

Cross to CA, hook S, if this wins play AS ditching a H, AK of H and ruff a S. Now hook the C.
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Posted 2004-October-06, 20:11

pclayton, on Oct 6 2004, 09:27 PM, said:

Well Ben - what are your thoughts on this??

Ok, my thoughts.. .I have basicallly three thoughts.

1) If the diamond 9 is from singleton or doubleton, odds will switch to hooking WEST for club queen instead of playing for 2-2 or singleton jack, but also

2) What ever line you choose you should keep EAST with the diamond Queen (squeeze, endplay) as a useful option, and

3) The heart suit has an extra chance no one mentioned, not only is a 3-3 fit a possible choice for an extra trick... doubleton JT, QT, or QJ will provide possible extra trick in heart even if hearts are not 4-2.

The problem with playing WEST for the club queen (say three long) is that you will have tranportation problems if you are wrong... For example.. club to ACE, club jack losing to the QUEEN on your right... then you will be locked in dummy on a heart return and can't take advantage of spade king on side.

So the two lines I consider reasonable..are....

Club to ace, if no queen shows, hook spade, spade ace, spade ruff, and then club hook... If you lose a club, you still ahve diamond-heart potential squeeze on EAST. If spade hook loses, you still have heart pitch on spade ace, and play for hearts to split (or East to have Jxxx, Qxxx, or Txxx and you get ot ruff finessee to ake care of the diamond loser. But spade hook might go south when diamond was singelton and clubs were 2-2.. after all. So I would play club king and club to ACE... both lines work, the club hook line actually makes an overtrick....

The hand was....
Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     2NT   Pass  3
 Pass  4    Pass  5
 Pass  6    Pass  Pass
 Pass  


So I thought this was going to be play club KA taking spade hook and playing on hearts if club queen is out, versus, play club to ACE, and immediately take spade hook and then eventually take club hook through the guy leading the diamond 9. I wondered what logic people would use to choose one.

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