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Poll: 5431 (46 member(s) have cast votes)

Is correct to open with xxx_Q_Kxxxx_AKxx in the first or second hand?

  1. yes (39 votes [84.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.78%

  2. no (7 votes [15.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.22%

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#1 User is offline   4321 

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Posted 2011-September-16, 00:28

Some more questions will follow.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 03:51

seems ok to open.. to me at least
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Posted 2011-September-16, 05:28

I can't imagine not opening this.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 06:05

i voted no....you will actually make it easier for the opps to find a major fit.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 07:47

a simple yes or no answer is not possible because this depends entirely on your agreements. So if you have agreed to open any 11 HCP hand yes if you have agreed to play 2/1 I would say no.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 07:56

Routine opening for me playing 2/1.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 08:23

I would not open.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 08:31

 Phil, on 2011-September-16, 08:23, said:

I would not open.

Hi Phil, why not?
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Posted 2011-September-16, 08:35

 jillybean, on 2011-September-16, 08:31, said:

Hi Phil, why not?


1. My ♥Q is a dubious value.

2. I have both minors. Opening the bidding with these hands makes it easier for the opponents to come in.

Its close. I like my AK-K, and if I held both majors, or even one major, I'd open.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 11:44

I open here. Certainly I'd prefer that one of my minor suits were a major and it would be nice to see some tens in my hand, but I like my two minor suits and I like 5431. I have no rebidding problems and don't mind hearing a 2♣ response to my 1♦ opening. Yes, the queen is dubious, but I think the rest of the hand makes up for it. I know some players that would open this if the queen were the deuce, but I am not one of them.

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Posted 2011-September-16, 11:49

 Phil, on 2011-September-16, 08:35, said:

1. My ♥Q is a dubious value.

2. I have both minors. Opening the bidding with these hands makes it easier for the opponents to come in.

Its close. I like my AK-K, and if I held both majors, or even one major, I'd open.

Time for a Plum Meredith 1♠ opener perhaps? :)
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Posted 2011-September-16, 12:15

In any of my 2/1 partnerships I would pass, for the reasons Phil described, plus I tend to get bad results when partner plays 3NT. I MIGHT open this hand if I had something like 2♦ = 5+♦, 4+♣, 11-15 (a pair I know play this). In a Precision context, I'll open it all day, only because partner knows I open all 11s and won't hang me.

Too bad you didn't have a 'maybe, depends on partner'. That's my vote, so I'll abstain from voting in this poll.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 13:32

passing a 12 HCP hand need a lot of good reasons, stiff HQ is not bad enough to pass it IMO. This hand has good controls, good shape and reasonable spades. If partner push you to slams, you usually don't mind to play there either.

 4321, on 2011-September-16, 00:28, said:

Some more questions will follow.

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Posted 2011-September-16, 14:33

easy 1d I open without QH.

But good hand to discuss with partners so they know.

easy 2s rebid over 1s and 2c over anything else.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 16:29

This hand is worth 12 Bergen "starting points". It also meets the "rule of 22". I'd open it, playing 2/1 or Precision or Romex or Romex Forcing Club.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 21:21

I'd much rather open it, and have an easy 2C rebid if I need it, than respond with it, and despair of ever showing my second suit.

Make it 1-3-4-5 instead of 1-3-5-4 and you could talk me into passing much more easily.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 23:50

What do you think about answer from my partner?
Expecting 1h I opened, because my Q in partner's longer should be not so bad. ...because may be difficult to bid something after pass opening. ...because I remember the system in guess situations to explain to my partner my possible missguesses.
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So:

1d - 1h
2c - 2s
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Posted 2011-September-16, 23:52

 4321, on 2011-September-16, 23:50, said:

What do you think about answer from my partner?
Expecting 1h I opened, because my Q in partner's longer should be not so bad. ...because may be difficult to bid something after pass opening. ...because I remember the system in guess situations to explain to my partner my possible missguesses.
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So:

1d - 1h
2c - 2s
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easy and np 2nt now

partner will play us for 5d....4c and 11-13....no problem....(yes we may have more but pard does not know that)





we have no problem yet.... this is easy.....

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pls lets not make common easy hands into problem hands....
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Posted 2011-September-17, 00:05

Don't you need a stopper in the fourth suit to rebid NT?
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Posted 2011-September-17, 00:08

 mike777, on 2011-September-16, 23:52, said:

pls lets not make common easy hands into problem hands....

IMO, this is not appropriate. There is legitimate debate about whether the hand is an opening bid, and the answers depend on style and system for those who think before answering. It might be an easy choice in your style, but it is just as easy an opposite choice in someone else's.

Even the follow-up question about what to do after FSF brings up an interesting question by Antrax, the answer also dependent upon agreements and should be a consideration before the hand is opened (or not).
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