BBO Discussion Forums: Open1 NT or 1 Heart? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Open1 NT or 1 Heart?

Poll: Open 1 NT or 1 Heart (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Open 1 NT or 1 Heart?

  1. 1NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1 Heart (38 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 570
  • Joined: 2009-July-12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ohio

Posted 2011-November-23, 19:55

Open 1NT or 1 Heart playing 15-17 NT?

0

#2 User is offline   JLOGIC 

  • 2011 Poster of The Year winner
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,002
  • Joined: 2010-July-08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-November-23, 20:53

1H for sure. You have a prime 17 with a 5 card suit, so your hand is definitely at least close to being too good to open 1N. On top of that, if you have a major suit fit, especially a 4-4 spade fit, your hand is WAYYY too good to open 1N.

If you open 1H, what will happen? If your partner has 4 spades, he will bid 1S, and the fit will be found. If he has 3+ hearts, he will raise hearts, and the fit will be found (and playing hearts will likely be best, becuase you aren't balanced, you are 5422 and could probably use a spade ruff). If partner has neither, he will bid 1N, and you will bid 2N describing your hand as 18-19 balanced, not missing a major suit fit...this is probably not even an overbid with a nice 17.

On the other hand, if you open 1N, plenty of bad things could happen. Your partner will not investigate a major suit fit without inv+ values, imagine him with Axxx x Qxxxx xxx, he will pass and you will play a silly contract rather than an easy 4S.
2

#3 User is offline   CSGibson 

  • Tubthumper
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,835
  • Joined: 2007-July-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portland, OR, USA
  • Interests:Bridge, pool, financial crime. New experiences, new people.

Posted 2011-November-23, 21:58

One of the most frequently stated reasons to open 1N instead of one of a major is to avoid awkward rebids. This hand doesn't have that problem; in fact, you have two palatable rebids in a spade reverse or a natural 2N. Opening 1N is clearly inferior in my opinion.
Chris Gibson
0

#4 User is offline   billw55 

  • enigmatic
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,757
  • Joined: 2009-July-31
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-November-23, 23:47

View PostCSGibson, on 2011-November-23, 21:58, said:

One of the most frequently stated reasons to open 1N instead of one of a major is to avoid awkward rebids. This hand doesn't have that problem; in fact, you have two palatable rebids in a spade reverse or a natural 2N. Opening 1N is clearly inferior in my opinion.

Agree, the goal of bidding is to describe one's hand accurately, and there is no rule that says we can only use one bid. Why choose 1NT when more accurate sequences are available? In particular the spade reverse is much more descriptive.
Life is long and beautiful, if bad things happen, good things will follow.
-gwnn
1

#5 User is offline   Zelandakh 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,732
  • Joined: 2006-May-18
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 2011-November-24, 03:59

The hand as presented is an obvious 1H. It would be more interesting if the SQ was changed the S10 - now I suspect there would be some differences of opinion.
(-: Zel :-)
0

#6 User is offline   EricK 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,303
  • Joined: 2003-February-14
  • Location:England

Posted 2011-November-24, 07:02

The hand is too strong for a 15-17 1NT. Apart from that, there is a very good chance that you will be able to describe your hand accurately if you open 1. I expect this poll to be near unanimous.
0

#7 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2011-November-24, 07:33

no 1NT on 54 majors for me thankyouverymuch
0

#8 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2011-November-24, 08:55

Almost 12 hours since this hand was posted and the vote is 20-0. So, while someone may come along and mess up the unanimous vote, I think this one qualifies as one of the very few (only?) unanimous votes in the history of the Fora.
0

#9 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2011-November-24, 09:02

There have been other unanimous topics but I won't post the links to them here.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#10 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2011-November-25, 09:21

Don't worry, there will be a 'misclick' sooner or later...
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

4 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 4 guests, 0 anonymous users