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#1 User is offline   teniente 

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Posted 2011-November-24, 01:41

W N E S
1D p p ?







I would appreciate much your opinions about this topic.

1.- What do you bid with South hand: 1♠, Double with the intention to show spades later, other?
2.- Does Vulnerabily affect your bid?
3.- Does tournament (MP/IMP) affect your bid?

4.- Assume you bid 1♠, would you pass with north hand?
5.- Assume you double, West pass and north bids: 1♥, then South=1♠
Would you pass with north hand: 1D p p X
p 1H p 1S
p ?


Ty very much for your opinions.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 02:19

1. 1♠.
2. Not really on this hand.
3. Not really on this hand.
4. Yep, I'd pass 1♠.
5. I'd bid 2♠ if partner X and bid 1♠ over my 1♥ call.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 02:25

Hi! Welcome to the forums.

There is a common method to evaluate balancing: You borrow a king from your partner. Then you do whatever you would have done in direct seat, with one exception. You have the option to make a jump overcall, which typically shows a good six card suit and a nice 13 to 16 points.

In this case, you have a hand worth 16 in high cards, and with the added king that adds up to 19. However, the ♥K is worthless, I am not enthusiastic about the ♦KQx before the bidder either and the trump suit is very poor. So I will deduct the ♥K and another point leading to a total of 15. This means that I will just bid 1♠.

With the North hand, I would pass 1♠. After all, I had 7 HCP, but there are only 4 left after partner borrowed a king from me.

If I would have been North and South would have doubled, I would have bid 1♥, South would have bid 1♠ and North would bid 2♣ (or pass). South rebids hid spades. Now North passes.

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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:29

View PostMbodell, on 2011-November-24, 02:19, said:

5. I'd bid 2♠ if partner X and bid 1♠ over my 1♥ call.

I would not support partner with 2 small on this bidding, 2♣ sounds more reasonable. For me 1♠ can be 5 cards, and not even good ones. Agree on the other 4 responses you gave.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:45

Agree with fluffy.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:47

I would seriously consider balancing with 2♠. While not very elegant (because my ♠s are weak) , it does show very well my range and my 6 card ♠ suit.
After that pd can invite with 3♠ (looks ok opposite the approx 14-16 I showed) , and I might suggest 3NT, with my weak suit and good ♦ stoppers.
This would be a very successful sequence , but imo not unreasonable.
(1♦) -P - P - 2♠
P - 3♠ - P - 3NT
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Posted 2011-November-24, 04:10

Welcome to the forums.

1. 1S. As mich-d writes 2S may also be possible depending on which meaning you have ascribed it
2. No
3. No
4. Pass
5. 2C
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Posted 2011-November-24, 04:13

So, you dont expect a nice/fair 5 card suit because of balancing?
1D p p X
p 1H p 1S
p

A.- I think Pass is not an option
B.- 2♠. Too little to support? I think is superior to pass.
C.- A non forcing 2♣?

I was north, and the bidding went as above.
I would like to pass but I think I cannot.
I raised 2♠ but, I admit, I never thought about 2♣ as an option.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 07:33

I'd just do the canonical dbl + bid spades later. Don't see any reason to get 'clever' here.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 10:13

I just cannot bring myself to bidding 2♠ on Jxxxxx even though it describes my strength. So I would bid 1♠.

Doubling is strange.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 12:50

Why? In the balancing dbl + bid a suit is 15+ or thereabouts. Seems like what I have.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 14:20

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-November-24, 12:50, said:

Why? In the balancing dbl + bid a suit is 15+ or thereabouts. Seems like what I have.


I will NEVER convince my pard that I only have a stiff ♥ after doubling 1♦. We are big on shape with very few exceptions.

I have sympathy for a 2♠ bid but it looks like a 5-card suit so 1♠ for me.
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Posted 2011-November-25, 04:49

View Postggwhiz, on 2011-November-24, 14:20, said:

I will NEVER convince my pard that I only have a stiff ♥ after doubling 1♦. We are big on shape with very few exceptions.


Well, that's your problem. I'm perfectly fine with dbling.
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Posted 2011-November-25, 06:41

I don't see any alternatives to bidding 1♠. 2♠ and Dbl are awful imo, looking at distribution and suit quality instead of HCP is canonical, especially with a stiff King.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 05:07

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-November-24, 03:45, said:

Agree with fluffy.



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Posted 2011-November-26, 18:19

awe-ful?
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Posted 2011-November-28, 09:24

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-November-26, 18:19, said:

awe-ful?

Oops I did it again :rolleyes:
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Posted 2011-November-29, 03:34

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-November-26, 05:24, said:

really dogmatic ?

What kind of stupid question is that?
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Posted 2011-November-29, 04:33

View PostFree, on 2011-November-29, 03:34, said:

What kind of stupid question is that?

A barking mad one? :P
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