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Posted 2011-December-13, 14:14
what you all gonna do?
overcall spade or takeout double
pass- pass - 1 club-
ty all
overcall spade or takeout double
pass- pass - 1 club-
ty all
Free, on 2011-May-10, 03:57, said:
Babalu just wanted a shoulder to cry on, is that too much to ask for?
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Posted 2011-December-13, 14:33
Overcall
would be a better question, maybe?
would be a better question, maybe?
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 14:44
1♠. Not close.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 16:58
I tend to overcall even with 5♠ and 4♥ with the idea that I can double a ♣ raise passed back to me and partner has an escape hatch. Just a personal preference.
That said, 1♠ is clear here. If you double and pard bids ♥, he might have 4-4 in the majors.
That said, 1♠ is clear here. If you double and pard bids ♥, he might have 4-4 in the majors.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 17:58
1S of course. This is 100% with no second choice.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 18:16
vuroth, on 2011-December-13, 14:33, said:
Overcall
would be a better question, maybe?
would be a better question, maybe?
Still a clear 1♠ here for me.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 01:40
1♠, and if passed 2♦ over 2♣ from the opener. I dont like the double with 2 soft suits, and all my values in spades.....
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Posted 2011-December-14, 06:48
Is this yet another thread which you use to criticise some partner who irritated you? The answer is obviously 1S. Even in the bygone days when it was normal to double with a 5M431 hand this would probably have been a 1S call for the majority. The reason is that while double is more likely to get us to a playable spot in one go, this hand will happily double 2C (or bid 2D if preferred I guess) from the opps next time round. Thus we get the best of both worlds - we show our 5 spades and also the take-out shape. If we double first instead then we cannot compete with 2S over 2C since that shows a better hand, not to mention that it is less flexible.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 08:24
ggwhiz, on 2011-December-13, 16:58, said:
If you double and pard bids ♥, he might have 3-3 in the majors.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 10:29
1♠. Not only do I have a 5 card suit to overcall, but it's the boss suit, and the suit that I want partner to lead for defensive tricks. This is not close. If it goes P-P-2C back to me, then I will X.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 10:37
ggwhiz, on 2011-December-13, 16:58, said:
That said, 1♠ is clear here. If you double and pard bids ♥, he might have 4-4 in the majors.
Really? I don't think it is a good idea to bid hearts with both majors.
But as Dave says, maybe 3-3 is a possibility.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 12:01
1♠ now and double if it comes back to me at 2♣.
My style is usually to overcall with this sort of shape even if 5=4 or 4=5 in the majors and judge whether to double the second time. The exception is when I don't think that I am good enough to double the second time and my five-card suit is poor.
Obviously at times doubling first can work out better e.g. if the auction is too high to make a double when it comes back.
My style is usually to overcall with this sort of shape even if 5=4 or 4=5 in the majors and judge whether to double the second time. The exception is when I don't think that I am good enough to double the second time and my five-card suit is poor.
Obviously at times doubling first can work out better e.g. if the auction is too high to make a double when it comes back.
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Posted 2011-December-14, 14:40
generally the overcall is right here in particular as you only have 3♥ and a particularly good ♠ suit
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