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Planned to reverse, and the auction got competitive

#21 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2012-February-22, 03:33

3 forcing is a nice agreement methinks. yea yea I learned it from Justin's blog ages ago.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 03:35

As I understand it, the rationale for not splintering with a singleton ace is that it may cause partner to misevaluate a holding like KQx. That doesn't seem very likely when they've overcalled.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 04:04

3H?

You have 17HCP, the single Ace is a downgrading factor and you dont have a sure fit,
so why do you want to force to game?

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Posted 2012-February-22, 04:06

View PostBunnyGo, on 2012-February-21, 16:31, said:

Ok, so a wide range of answers. I'm interested to hear further, but let me continue the sequel. I decided to bid 3 (after pondering these options) and partner raised to 4. Do you make another move after partner couldn't do more than raise?

Why? I invited, p accepted the invite.

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Posted 2012-February-22, 09:16

View Posthan, on 2012-February-21, 15:31, said:

lol at the idea of not reversing with this really prime 17-count. Did you miss that the singleton club is the ace ArtK?

As I said, my standards for reverses may be higher than yours. Quite frankly, I don't think this hand is a great hand. What would I do over 1 - (P) - 1? Admittedly, that is a problem. I might bid a very hefty 2.

Clearly, I am in the minority on this (possibly a minority of one).

Again, the hand would be much better if the A were in some other suit (or even if it were a K in some other suit). Then I would have no problem with the reverse.

For example, I prefer A63 KJT4 AKJT2 5 or even AK3 JT64 AKJT2 5 to the actual hand of A63 JT54 AKJT2 A.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 09:35

Sorry but 2S would be completely bizarre. The hand would be much better if you had another ace as well, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a prime 17-count. People also reverse lighter (not heavier!) with a 3-4-5-1 shape after 1D - 1S since you are quite likely to have a spade fit. If partner bids 2S (5+ spades, forcing) then you can bid 3S which suggests a 3-4-5-1 pattern with about a 16-17 count. I don't know what could be more perfect than that.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 09:43

View Postgwnn, on 2012-February-22, 03:33, said:

3 forcing is a nice agreement methinks. yea yea I learned it from Justin's blog ages ago.


I couldn't find this entry, maybe you still have the link? If not maybe Justin has a moment to elaborate? Thanks!
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Posted 2012-February-22, 10:02

4 seems like the right call in most systems that use a negX here
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Posted 2012-February-22, 10:23

View PostBunnyGo, on 2012-February-22, 09:43, said:

I couldn't find this entry, maybe you still have the link? If not maybe Justin has a moment to elaborate? Thanks!

http://squeezingthed...04/1c-2d-x.html

The suit symbols are missing but I guess in this situation it's even better because you can pretend you're reading about either 1m-(2om) situation :) Of course, it could be right that 1D-2C-x-p; 3M be agreed non forcing and 1C-2D-x-p; 3M be forcing, but I wouldn't ever play that way.
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