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How about 2nd DBL ? Does it attract you at all at these colors ?
I doubled at the table, but i am not saying this because it turned out to be a great choice. I am asking this because if my logic was totally off but got lucky or not.
Here is what went thru my mind
-I cant bid 2♥ because that doesnt show extras for us.
-I can but dont wanna bid 3♥ because this hand is not as good as a 3♥ raise to me. Something bothering me about it.
I thought, rightly or wrongly that i dont actually have a satisfactory ♥ raise, and there are times that pd can bid 1♥ with 3, and that 2nd DBL will show extras ( tell me if you believe that shows extras but black suits only) and that we may keep a juicy penalty double in picture if pd decides to defend.
He held
T9
Jxxx
JTxx
Qxx
We had +500, but 4♥ if we can reach, was also making Qx and Qx majors with opener and they cant take 3♣ tricks)
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Posted 2012-April-27, 18:05
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Posted 2012-April-28, 04:46
I also though about double, but it denies 4 hearts, and it acomplishes nothing, partner will bid 2♥ on most hands and oyu ahve to decide what to do next again.
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Posted 2012-April-28, 08:10
2007 cherdanno would, of course, also start an argument with Mikeh, but these days I have to admit it's quite close between 2♥ and 3♥. I would definitely bid 2♥ with AKJx A9xx x xxxx, so we have more than a king in extras. But since 3♥ may well go down, it might also be better to just live with a wide range.
Like about 3♥: partner bidding 4 with 5 trumps.
Dislike about 3♥: partner passing with 4 trumps.
Like about 3♥: partner bidding 4 with 5 trumps.
Dislike about 3♥: partner passing with 4 trumps.
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Posted 2012-April-28, 08:22
Maybe this thread tells us that it's silly to play strength-showing redoubles of takeout doubles? Look how much higher we can get the opponents if we just keep quiet for a round.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-April-28, 21:12
gnasher, on 2012-April-28, 08:22, said:
Maybe this thread tells us that it's silly to play strength-showing redoubles of takeout doubles? Look how much higher we can get the opponents if we just keep quiet for a round.
Who had a strength showing redouble on this hand but kept quiet ? Or did you mean if opener's pd had the hcps that our pd has and kept quiet ?
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2012-April-29, 01:48
MrAce, on 2012-April-28, 21:12, said:
Who had a strength showing redouble on this hand but kept quiet ? Or did you mean if opener's pd had the hcps that our pd has and kept quiet ?
Yes, that's what I meant.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-April-29, 06:15
I play XX as artificial and have had some good results where the opps overbid when I had a strength showing XX and passed before.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 06:51
I honestly think 3 is an overbid, 2H on the money had this guy not repeated D, 2 1/2 sort of. At these colors we would raise to 2H with a lot less, you are not letting them have a free ride. I will be encouraging partner to bid game with good excuse, however by the time the hand is over I will have mine prepared. Or he may hold a 5th H and the KJ of C enough to give us a shot. Would he ever go on to game facing a simple raise even if he did expect a bit more? Isn't it really better to take the bigger push when it is least likely to be costly when wrong? I doubt anyone would be doubling 3H and the upside (although we are non vul) is we might even make a skinny game.