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AJxxx
Kx
x
1C-2C-p-2H
3C-?
all white imps.
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the first bid was easy
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Posted 2012-April-27, 12:58
AKQxx
AJxxx
Kx
x
LHO RHO opens 1C and it goes:
1C-2C-p-2H
3C-?
all white imps.
AJxxx
Kx
x
1C-2C-p-2H
3C-?
all white imps.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 13:08
your other left.
4♥. Sorry, can't help it...
4♥. Sorry, can't help it...
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Posted 2012-April-27, 13:12
I'd probably bid 4♣ at the table, not being entirely sure what it would mean.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 13:13
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Posted 2012-April-27, 13:58
I assume 2c was weak or strong...will try double now to show strong type of hand.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 14:12
double. 4♣/4♥ are both bad; can't partner have 5 clubs and a doubleton heart?
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Posted 2012-April-27, 14:14
Double seems right. Your first bid denied ♣s, so it must be card showing.
Partner's 2 ♥ bid was discouraging as far as major fits are concerned. But partner could still hold some minor cards and just not have any other bid.
Double tells your story and gives partner some choices. At worst, you could end up playing 3 ♥ in a 5-2 fit.
Partner's 2 ♥ bid was discouraging as far as major fits are concerned. But partner could still hold some minor cards and just not have any other bid.
Double tells your story and gives partner some choices. At worst, you could end up playing 3 ♥ in a 5-2 fit.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 14:15
4C would be my choice. If I need to make a joke (and I often do) I'd say 'forcing'.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 14:45
quiddity, on 2012-April-27, 14:12, said:
double. 4♣/4♥ are both bad; can't partner have 5 clubs and a doubleton heart?
+100!!!
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Posted 2012-April-27, 14:54
quiddity, on 2012-April-27, 14:12, said:
double. 4♣/4♥ are both bad; can't partner have 5 clubs and a doubleton heart?
Agree. This is a beginner level problem. Don't bid your hand twice. Double says you have extra values and no extra shape.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 15:28
lalldonn, on 2012-April-27, 14:45, said:
+100!!!
Agree, but I'd rather have 1-2 than 2-1 in the minors.
Can I get some love for 3♦?
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Posted 2012-April-27, 15:37
No Phil, no love for 3D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 16:17
When I first started playing around 17000 years ago a wise
man told me the more hcp you have concetrated in your long
suits the more offensive in nature your hand is. With lots
of HCP in your short suits the more defensive your hand is.
The overwhelming majority of my "stuff" is in my long suits.
This is a very offensive oriented hand not defensive. I would
save x for hands like KQxxx Axxxx KJ A. The current hand
is much more suited to a 3h bid where p can appreciate the
game potential of their xx Qxxx xxxx xxx hand. Bidding 3h
does not bid your hand twice it merely helps p decide if
you hand is more offensive or defensive in nature.
man told me the more hcp you have concetrated in your long
suits the more offensive in nature your hand is. With lots
of HCP in your short suits the more defensive your hand is.
The overwhelming majority of my "stuff" is in my long suits.
This is a very offensive oriented hand not defensive. I would
save x for hands like KQxxx Axxxx KJ A. The current hand
is much more suited to a 3h bid where p can appreciate the
game potential of their xx Qxxx xxxx xxx hand. Bidding 3h
does not bid your hand twice it merely helps p decide if
you hand is more offensive or defensive in nature.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 17:07
gszes, on 2012-April-27, 16:17, said:
When I first started playing around 17000 years ago a wise
man told me the more hcp you have concetrated in your long
suits the more offensive in nature your hand is. With lots
of HCP in your short suits the more defensive your hand is.
man told me the more hcp you have concetrated in your long
suits the more offensive in nature your hand is. With lots
of HCP in your short suits the more defensive your hand is.
This is only true when you have a fit
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Posted 2012-April-27, 18:11
Sorry but anything besides double is bad. Partner even bid your AJxxx instead of your AKQxx which adds to your defense (not that I wouldn't double if they were the other way around). And if partner has xx Qxxx xxxx xxx he should one-million-percent bid 4H over our double. He would need AK of both our majors to want to be in game, that's it. That 'wise man' was probably talking about times you had a fit and were making a penalty double, neither of which were true here. This double just says "extra values", nothing more. Partner already knows about our 5-5 in the majors so he will almost definitely make a good decision no matter what he does.
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Posted 2012-April-27, 18:44
quiddity, on 2012-April-27, 14:12, said:
double. 4♣/4♥ are both bad; can't partner have 5 clubs and a doubleton heart?
Ugh, yeah. Double is obvious and clearly right. I don't have my bridge cap on tonight. Time for bed.
I suppose in that case fruitful discussion could be had about what 3NT, 4♣, 3♠ etc. show...
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Posted 2012-April-27, 19:36
han, on 2012-April-27, 15:37, said:
No Phil, no love for 3D.
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Phil, on 2012-April-27, 15:28, said:
Can I get some love for 3♦?
5-5-3-0 with the same highcards, and you could get a little love for 3♦.
With 5-5-2-1, the double seems better. If Opener had not rebid, then lacking the availability of the double, I would bid 3D with the two-card fragment
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Posted 2012-April-29, 07:01
For an expert, double is completely standard operating procedure in this spot with this hand. It shows extras, almost always exactly 5-5, not 5530 (3D). It is simply superior to bidding 3H or whatever because partner sometimes has a pass, there is no reason he cant be 2245, or 2254 with some trumps and we have them massacred. Sure, 90+ % of the time he will bid 4H or 3H but then we haven't lost anything.
That said, I have noticed that few non experts know this bid. This thread supports that. Perhaps it is not frequent enough and is not written about commonly.
That said, I have noticed that few non experts know this bid. This thread supports that. Perhaps it is not frequent enough and is not written about commonly.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 07:08
Yes, it was certainly not known for this non expert. I bid 3♦. Partner has a 3433 with the ♥Q so 3♥ makes.
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