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Playing 12-20 1-level openings, 20-21 2NT opening (with puppet stayman), what would you open and why?
1S vs 2NT What's your opening?
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Posted 2012-May-06, 14:34
Yesterday, playing MP's, at unfavorable vulnerability, my partner faced this hand:
Playing 12-20 1-level openings, 20-21 2NT opening (with puppet stayman), what would you open and why?
Playing 12-20 1-level openings, 20-21 2NT opening (with puppet stayman), what would you open and why?
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Posted 2012-May-06, 14:55
Everyone seems to like NT openings, here. I didn't see the club Jack, and would open 1S. Sue me. Predict it will be easier to get to the right suit slam if there is one; 2NT is a slam killer, much more so than opening 1M is a game killer.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 16:15
I will try 2nt and live with those issues rather than 1s and trying to find a rebid.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 16:57
2N. Responses to 2N have gotten better over the years, so its not the slam killer it used to be.
And are we really in better shape for slam investigation after 1♠ - 1N??
And are we really in better shape for slam investigation after 1♠ - 1N??
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Posted 2012-May-06, 17:30
2N.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 17:50
2NT for me also. This expresses the nature of the hand - strength and point count.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 18:37
2N. Slam killer? seriously?
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Posted 2012-May-06, 19:11
jjbrr, on 2012-May-06, 18:37, said:
2N. Slam killer? seriously?
What I meant to say is show your work.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 19:26
2N wtp.
As for why...2N shows a balanced 20-21, and does not preclude getting to spades when it is right. That is what I have, so I bid it.
As for why...2N shows a balanced 20-21, and does not preclude getting to spades when it is right. That is what I have, so I bid it.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 20:20
2NT, we are playing puppet Stayman for this 0.08% reason.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 20:50
jjbrr, on 2012-May-06, 18:37, said:
2N. Slam killer? seriously?
jjbrr, on 2012-May-06, 19:11, said:
What I meant to say is show your work.
I can't; there is no work. And, I totally expected everyone else to open 2NT. This one just seems too suit oriented in three different strains. There aint no guarantees, so I offered an alternate thought. You might not be as happy with the final result any time partner has whatever else and XXX of or XX or X of clubs.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 21:19
How much is the field protection worth to must feature in the decision making here to I would have thought? 1S seems much better if you're in hunting mode? (thought it might just wrong side 3NT).
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Posted 2012-May-06, 21:25
field protection?
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
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Posted 2012-May-06, 21:29
mike777, on 2012-May-06, 21:25, said:
field protection?
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
yup.
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Posted 2012-May-06, 22:30
mike777, on 2012-May-06, 21:25, said:
field protection?
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
Hunting mode?
geez I am just trying to cut down on silly bids...and silly plays.....
Lol, doing what I think everyone else is going to do is (part of) my protection against silly bids
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Posted 2012-May-07, 01:38
aguahombre, on 2012-May-06, 20:50, said:
You might not be as happy with the final result any time partner has whatever else and XXX of or XX or X of clubs.
I'd certainly be unhappy if partner has XX or X in clubs and didn't look for a suit fit, even with a Yarborough. With XXX in Clubs and a Yarborough I'm hoping the eithe 4-4 or blocked.
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Posted 2012-May-07, 03:28
When you are responding to 2NT with a 3352 Yarborough you will be really happy if you are playing Puppet Stayman.
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Posted 2012-May-07, 06:55
mgoetze, on 2012-May-07, 03:28, said:
When you are responding to 2NT with a 3352 Yarborough you will be really happy if you are playing Puppet Stayman.
Even happier that I'm playing my stuff.
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Posted 2012-May-07, 15:22
2 NT describes your strength and distribution. Since the partnership is playing Puppet Stayman, a 5-3 Spade fit won't be lost.
I don't think 1 ♠ is right. If the remaining 20 HCP are split pretty evenly, partner is likely to respond 1 NT wrongsiding the contract versus most of the rest of the field. Even if 2 NT or 3 NT go down, the result rates to be no worse than Ave- as most of the field figure to also open this hand 2 NT. It's also just possible that 1 ♠ might be passed out and does no better trickwise than NT. Opening 1 ♠ might also preclude you from finding a 5-3 ♥ game that would be child's play to find after a 2 NT bid (say partner had something like ♠ xx ♥ Axxxx ♦ Qxxx ♣ x).
I don't think 1 ♠ is right. If the remaining 20 HCP are split pretty evenly, partner is likely to respond 1 NT wrongsiding the contract versus most of the rest of the field. Even if 2 NT or 3 NT go down, the result rates to be no worse than Ave- as most of the field figure to also open this hand 2 NT. It's also just possible that 1 ♠ might be passed out and does no better trickwise than NT. Opening 1 ♠ might also preclude you from finding a 5-3 ♥ game that would be child's play to find after a 2 NT bid (say partner had something like ♠ xx ♥ Axxxx ♦ Qxxx ♣ x).