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Played Crd?Exposed Card/Penalty Card? can defender change card to be played when seen by all?

#1 User is offline   zasanya 

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Posted 2012-May-25, 22:17



The contract was 4
South led a small which was won by declarer with Ace. He entered dummy with ace and played King and pitched a on the . He then cashed the King of and played a low from the dummy and inserted the J. South had anticipated that declarer would play Ace and he was ready with 7 which he intended to play .He took the 7 brought it down towards table with the intention of playing it and then noticed Declarer had played Jack .The 7 was seen by all the other three players on the table South did not place 7 on the table. He took the card back and played the Queen of spades. At this time the director was called and the director ruled that since all the three players had seen the card, the small card must be played. The ruling was accepted and declarer went on to make 4H while the same contracted was defeated in the other table.
I was declarer and South is a good friend .He has sent me an email .I quote
"on going through the rules of WBF on exposed cards i found this
When a card is exposed by one of defenders (law 50), by means of holding it in such a position that it can be plausibly seen by the offender's partner, in general, it becomes a penalty card. If exposed inadvertently, depending on its rank, it may be a minor (2-9) or a major (10-A) penalty card; however, any card may become a major penalty card if played out of turn. In any case, the penalty card must be played at first legal opportunity, which allows the declarer to organize his play to take advantage of the situation. However, the offender may play an honor of the same suit instead of the minor penalty card. There is no penalty whatsoever for the exposition of declarer's cards, provided it was played inadvertently (a card apparently played advertently may not be retracted except for the purpose of revoke correction).
If a card is exposed during the auction (law 24), it may become a penalty card, and offender's partner may be forced to pass to the end of auction.
I hope this clarifies the situation i.e even though my small spades which my partner had seen becomes a penalty card i can play an honor in the same suit which i did and was dissallowed.which according to this rule was a wrong ruling.


Please advise.
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Posted 2012-May-25, 23:01

The relevant Law is 45C1:

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A defender’s card held so that it is possible for his partner to see its face must be played to the current trick.


Edit: I thought it might be worth mentioning that the precis your friend gave of Law 50 conveniently leaves important bits out, for instance that a card may be ruled a minor penalty card only if it is exposed inadvertantly.

PS does anyone know how to produce letters with diacritical marks?
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Posted 2012-May-26, 00:10

The director was correct. The small spade was not exposed inadvertently, it was played deliberately.
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Posted 2012-May-26, 11:14

View PostVampyr, on 2012-May-25, 23:01, said:

PS does anyone know how to produce letters with diacritical marks?

You mean like in précis?

http://en.wikipedia...._with_computers

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Posted 2012-May-26, 12:16

Lots of information there, but I could not find how to actually do it.
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Posted 2012-May-26, 12:19

View PostVampyr, on 2012-May-26, 12:16, said:

Lots of information there, but I could not find how to actually do it.

It explained how to do it on Macs. And in the External Links section at the bottom of the page, there's a link to http://www.starr.net/is/type/kbh.html that has detailed instructions for Windows.

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Posted 2012-May-26, 12:26

View PostVampyr, on 2012-May-26, 12:16, said:

Lots of information there, but I could not find how to actually do it.



Stephanie all you need is a list of ALT Key codes :rolleyes:



http://www.alt-codes.net/

try this link :)
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Posted 2012-May-26, 15:12

View PostOof Arted, on 2012-May-26, 12:26, said:

Stephanie all you need is a list of ALT Key codes :rolleyes:



http://www.alt-codes.net/

try this link :)

Not neccessarily:
On my keyboard I can for instance type ñ by first pressing ~ and then n
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Posted 2012-May-26, 15:12

View PostOof Arted, on 2012-May-26, 12:26, said:

try this link :)


Doesn't work for me :(
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Posted 2012-May-26, 15:31

View Postgordontd, on 2012-May-26, 00:10, said:

The director was correct. The small spade was not exposed inadvertently, it was played deliberately.


Even if you rule the card had not been played yet, it was still not exposed inadvertently and is therefore a major penalty card. Which, conveniently, must be played now.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 10:57

Stefanie: I usually go wikipaedia-ing for the word I want to spell, then copy it out of there and paste it. So, for a précis, for instance.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 15:09

View PostVampyr, on 2012-May-26, 15:12, said:

Doesn't work for me :(


I think that windows has a program called:

%SystemRoot%\system32\charmap.exe

You might look there.
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Posted 2012-May-29, 18:23

Usually there are options to work with dead keys, which are not on by default.

This keyboard is an US one, can do, áçéǵíḱĺḿńóṕŕśúǘẃýźäëḧïöẗüẅẍÿãẽĩñõũṽỹ

I am not using Windows, but should be similar.

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Posted 2012-May-30, 05:26

View PostVampyr, on 2012-May-26, 15:12, said:

Doesn't work for me

Are you remembering to hold the ALT key down the whole time while you type in the number code using the number pad? To produce ä, first hold down the ALT key; then press 1, then 3, then 2 on the number pad; finally release the ALT key. Using the numbers in the top row does not work, neither does releasing the ALT key before finishing the code numbers.
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Posted 2012-May-30, 08:49

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-May-30, 05:26, said:

Are you remembering to hold the ALT key down the whole time while you type in the number code using the number pad? To produce ä, first hold down the ALT key; then press 1, then 3, then 2 on the number pad; finally release the ALT key. Using the numbers in the top row does not work, neither does releasing the ALT key before finishing the code numbers.


I did do all of this, using the "num lk" on my laptop, producing a keypad of sorts. Nothing appears when I try this.
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