[TWO4BRIDGE]

South is Dealer

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[Mbodell]

Maybe:

1♣-1♥ ; 16+ forcing - gf 4+ spades, 8+hcp, 2+ ctls
1♠-1nt ; relay - 4+ hearts
2♣-2nt ; relay - short diamonds, 4 hearts, 5+ spades
3♣-3♦ ; relay - 5413
3nt-4♥ ; sign off attempt (minimum 1 club opener) - refuse signoff, 5 ctls
4♠-5♥ ; where? - 1 of the top cards in spades, hearts, and clubs, 0 top diamond
6♣

You know partner has Axxxx Kxx x Axx (where x is anything up to a Q), and some major quacks are likely to reject the signoff. And even without those, one could scramble to 12 by ruffing diamonds.

[rmnka447]

I normally play that over a reverse 4th suit or 2 NT whichever is cheaper can be either natural or the start of a signoff.

Assuming the opponents are silent throughout,

1 ♣ - 1 ♠
2 ♦ - 2 ♥
2 NT - 4 ♣
4 ♦ - ?

Notes on auction so far -- 2 ♦ shows longer ♣ except if 4-4-4-1 normally not balanced but could be 2-2-4-5.
2 NT - presumably something like 2-2-4-5, if you think opener could still be balanced for this bid, then 3 ♣ could be an alternative.
4 ♣ - 3 ♣ would be a signoff, so all responder previous bids are natural. Responder shows ♦ shortness, and a big hand, slam interest.
(Responder could simply have bid 3 ♣ positive with a lesser positive hand.)
4 ♦ - a ♦ control.

After ?, it depends on your cuebidding style, but you should be able to get there.

In the old fashioned(Aces first), non-mainstream cueing style used with my best partner, it would go --

4 ♠ - 1st round control in ♠s, denies a ♥ 1st.
4 NT - waiting bid, not RKCB, has further slam interest, implies no more than 2 ♥ losers.
5 ♥ - 2nd round ♥ control and implies a ♣ honor
6 ♣ to play.

Also note: the reverse also implies the exact ♣ holding held at a minimum -- with say ♣ Q10xxx opener would not reverse.

[gnasher]

1♣-1♠
2♦-3♣ (FG)
3NT-4♣
4♦-4♥ (cue / cue)
4♠-4NT (cue / RKCB)
5♠-6♣ or 6NT

North has a bit of a guess at the end, because he might be facing K AQx A10xx QJ10xx or K Axx QJxx KQJxx, where 6♣ is best, or K AQx AQxx Qxxxx, where 6NT is right.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2012-June-10, 16:19

[Cyberyeti]

1♣-1♠
2♦-2♥(4SF)
2N (minimum reverse, no extra shape, heart stop 1345/2245)-3♣
3♦-3♥
3♠(this virtually must be stiff K, 2N denied 3, 3♦ more or less denied Kx)-4♣(better than 5♣, serious slam try)
4♦(KC)-4N (2 without Q)
6♣(partner has shown around 15 points with K♥, 2 of ♣AK/♠A. While it's possible slam isn't making, with the lead coming up to my hand so no diamond thru the AQ, I fancy my chances).

[gszes]

1c
1s
2d F to at least 2n
2s five+
2n semi balanced min less than 3 spades sequence denies 4 hearts.
4c slam try forcing to 4n (3c would be non forcing and weak)
4d cue shows slam interest (bidding 4n here shows no slam interest)
4h cue
4n takes control rkc
5h 2 w/o club Q
6c missing a key card
pass would love to bid 6n but too manyu hands where a dia rough will allow 6c
to make and 6n at best on a finesse.

[mike777]

too tough I get to 3nt. Bit easier if north is first to bid.

thought the south hand was just a shade to weak to make a reverse on. granted if you reverse it becomes easy to get to slam. north will never stop.

bidding minor suit slams can be hard.

[Codo]

1♣ 1 ♠
2♦2♠
2 NT 4♣
5♣ 6♣

I play 4 ♣ like Zel, as KC, 5 ♣ shows a good hand and 2+Queen. This looks like a good hand despite the marginal point count. The values are so pure the clubs so solid....

[nigel_k]

I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam.

[Fluffy]

I confidently get to 3NT after a smolen sequence.

[han]

Me too, I prefer 1NT over the reverse.

[Cyberyeti]

nigel_k, on 2012-June-11, 00:16, said:

I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam.

No problem with that I play a weak NT.

I was considering what would happen if I rebid 1N, I suspect the answer is that it would depend if I then showed it as 16 or 17.

[gnasher]

nigel_k, on 2012-June-11, 00:16, said:

I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam.

Opening 1NT with a singleton is what you do when you expect one does when one expects to have problems after opening a suit. Here, there's no such problem, because we're opener's hand is worth a reverse after either a 1♥ opening response or a 1♠ opening response.

Anyway, it's easy after a 1NT opening too. Responder shows 5-4 in the majors; opener bids 3NT; responder bids his club fragment; opener bids a slam.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2012-June-11, 04:44

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Fluffy, on 2012-June-11, 01:20, said:

I confidently get to 3NT after a smolen sequence.

The expert ( a Nationals champion ), who posted this on another board, also suggested the Smolen sequence and then 4NT ( Quant ) by Responder which he felt Opener would accept:
1NT - 2C
2D - 3H!
3NT - 4NT
6NT
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One of his "followers" suggested the Reverse -- giving more than full weight to the stiff ♠K ( in Responder's suit ).

I liked the 2S rebid after the 2D Reverse ( as Codo , post # 8 ) . 2H! would be the weakness ( Lebensohl bid -- I'm sorry, it is NOT 4th suit forcing -- so, any other bid is forcing and 2S shows 5+ cards :

1C - 1S
1D - 2S
2NT* - 3C
3D - 3H
3S - 4C! ( Minorwood-RKC since agreement was first at the 3-level )
4NT ( 2 + ♣Q ) - 6C
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* If 2NT here is not considered forcing, there may be a problem;
3D, 3H, 3S were convenient low-level cuebids and 3S must show the ♠K ! !

[Antrax]

I was feeling bad until I read Fluffy's post.

[han]

gnasher, on 2012-June-11, 03:11, said:

Opening 1NT with a singleton is what you do when you expect to have problems after opening a suit. Here, there's no such problem, because we're worth a reverse after either a 1♥ opening or a 1♠ opening.

Who is this we you are talking about?

[gnasher]

han, on 2012-June-11, 04:03, said:

Who is this we you are talking about?

Sorry about the lazy language. By "we're worth" I meant "opener's hand is worth".

[han]

You write "opening" when you mean response, and you write "worth a reverse" when we are not worth a reverse. All very confusing.

[gnasher]

han, on 2012-June-11, 04:38, said:

You write "opening" when you mean response, and you write "worth a reverse" when we are not worth a reverse. All very confusing.

I've done a bit of editing. Is that better?

Anyway, who's this "we" that you're talking about? You can make your own judgements about how much you are worth, but I am certainly worth a reverse.

[han]

I guess you play them better Andy.