[dickiegera]

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Should North now bid 2♦ or 2♠? or something else. 1NT is forcing 1 round.

Thank you

[BunnyGo]

I think that this is a good hand, but just a bit shy of a reverse in my book (and many people would play 2♠ as a reverse here), so 2♦ is the better bid. If south bids 2♥ then north should feel free to make one more bid.

[blackshoe]

BunnyGo, on 2012-August-11, 10:55, said:

I think that this is a good hand, but just a bit shy of a reverse in my book (and many people would play 2♠ as a reverse here), so 2♦ is the better bid. If south bids 2♥ then north should feel free to make one more bid.

I absolutely agree with all but one little bit of this. Everyone plays 2♠ as a reverse here, whether they claim to do so or not, because 2♠ is a reverse by definition. If you mean that some play it as showing extra values (and some do not) well, I won't argue with that.

[ggwhiz]

Very marginal reversing values for North and the club void is a red flag.

Our only shot at a decent trump fit is in ♦ and I would bid 2 of them. Partners actual shape is hardly a surprise and I would give it up in 2♥ with this suit "quality".

In my partnership pard doesn't have 3 card hearts unless they have less than an 8 count including distribution and surely some of that is wasted in clubs.

[chasetb]

I'm bidding 2♦. If partner pulls 2♦ to 2♥, then it's because (s)he has 2 Hearts and 1-3 Diamonds, so I pass that (partner will have wasted values in Clubs a majority of the time).

[gszes]

2d



5 of a minor is a lonnnng way off if p cannot scrape up a 3d bid i would
give up on game. P bidding 2h does not excite me either and i would pass
that. looking for game here opposite any min by responder is hoping for
some kind of miracle and trust me if p has such a miracle they will find a
raise.

[neilkaz]

2♦..I'd like a better hand to reverse 2♠

[aguahombre]

2D and pass 2H. Responder will bid 2H with 2-4 in the reds if 1NT was truly forcing, but so what? We play in 2H.

[Quantumcat]

blackshoe, on 2012-August-11, 13:00, said:

I absolutely agree with all but one little bit of this. Everyone plays 2♠ as a reverse here, whether they claim to do so or not, because 2♠ is a reverse by definition. If you mean that some play it as showing extra values (and some do not) well, I won't argue with that.

Reminds me when my partner gets asked for help how to bid a certain hand at our club; often it is because the asker had mishandled a reverse - either passing partner's reverse or making one with a weak hand and getting too high. When he tries to explain to them about why reverses show extra values, they often say quickly, "oh, but we don't play reverses!!!".

[CSGibson]

2♦. I'm not making a light reverse into 2♠ when I have this poor of an initial suit, and when responder is practically guaranteed not to have a fit for my 2nd suit. Over a 2H preference, I probably put 2♠ on the table, even though it could work out badly on this hand if responder doesn't choose to pass, the decision for which will be influenced by whether he thinks 2♠ shows a 4 card biddable suit.

By the way, if you want honest answers, then don't post both hands, you bias your results.

[Phil]

2♦ - this isn't close to a reverse - look at how bad that heart suit is.

I expect ..2♥....2♠. From there I don't know where the bidding ends but I do know I'm sorely tempted to pass.

[bluecalm]

2D but reverse is close imo.
Then:

1H - 1N
2D - 2H
2S - pass

1H - 1N
2S - 3S
4S

[the hog]

2D. The reverse into 2S is not close.

[helene_t]

blackshoe, on 2012-August-11, 13:00, said:

Everyone plays 2♠ as a reverse here.[....] If you mean that some play it as showing extra values (and some do not) well, I won't argue with that.

Nah, everyone plays 2♠ as showing extras (assuming 1NT doesn't show spades). Maybe some play 2♠ as artificial, though.

I like blucalm's first auction but we might also just end up in 2♥.