[Flem72]

I'm trying to research the regs covering masterpoint/play requirements for 6-person KO/Swiss teams at ACBL regionals. It seems that our goal is to arrange a playing schedule that allows the team to be entered in multiple team events, playing 3 sessions/day, so that each pair plays two sessions/day. Having trouble finding a single document -- it seems that there are amendment documents cluttering up the internet. Can someone direct me to the currently applicable document?

Informally, I've always thought that each player must play 1/2 the boards in a KO event, including 1/2 of the boards in the final match, in order that all qualify for the full mp award. I have no idea how a 6-person team arranges play in a Swiss event.

I have no idea how the team members' masterpoint holdings are calculated in order to bracket the team in either a KO or a Swiss.

I seem to recall that a pair sitting out may play in a single-session event during a team event in which the team is entered, but cannot earn gold points for that side-session?

Any help with these issues greatly appreciated; if there are any traps in setting this up, I'd appreciate notice of them as well.

Never volunteer. Sheesh.

[Phil]

I believe you cannot enter two events at once, but players get away with this.

Players sometime try this by entering a morning / afternoon regional KO, and while they are sitting out in the afternoon, they are entered in a NABC event.

In all sectional and regional swisses, your points are based on the matches you play in and the overall awards are pro-rated.

[chrism]

ACBL General Conditions of Contest (found in the ACBLScore tech files), file CCGEN

PLAY
...

2. A player may play and earn masterpoints in as many sessions of
bridge as possible while not entered in a concurrent or
overlapping event, except that players on teams with more than
four members or teams with byes may play in concurrent one-session
events only (for this purpose Side Game Series (Continuous Pairs)
are considered one session events, but no access to gold points
for that session).

- A player who is on a team that has received a bye is considered
entered in that event when that event begins.
- Morning and evening knockout events are not considered
overlapping or conflicting events regardless of times scheduled.

Also, from the CoC for KOs (file CCKOS):

PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS

1. To fulfill the participation requirement, a player must meet EACH of
the following conditions as appropriate:
a. For any given overall award, a player must play at least 50% of all
boards (excluding play-off boards) played by the team at the time
the award is earned. No contestant may play any match after it has
become mathematically impossible for him/her to play at least 50%
of the boards (excluding play-off boards) played by his/her team.
b. For any given overall award, a player must have played 50%of
the boards in the match in which the team earned that award.
c. In order to be entitled to the first place award, a player must
also play at least 50% of the combined boards in the semi-final and
final matches.

2. A player who fails to maintain participation eligibility in an event
receives match awards only and is not entitled to honors or
recognition for further achievements of his/her teammates in the
event. Additionally, a player who was, but no longer is entered on a
team in a knockout event may not participate in a concurrent
championship event (two or more sessions) while the team is still
competing in the KO event.

[blackshoe]

I don't believe I would trust the CoC version in the Tech files, because I don't know how frequently the Tech files are updated. There are general and specific for all events, and some for particular events at NABCs, on the ACBL website. At least one can hope those are up to date.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find some TD or Tournament Committee Chair or member changing the CoC on the fly.

[Flem72]

 blackshoe, on 2012-September-02, 09:10, said:

I don't believe I would trust the CoC version in the Tech files, because I don't know how frequently the Tech files are updated. There are general and specific for all events, and some for particular events at NABCs, on the ACBL website. At least one can hope those are up to date.

OK, I'm going to hijack my own thread: look at this, found in the general conditions for KOs:

A pair may be entitled to redress if their opponents did not originally have a clear understanding of when and how to use a convention that was employed.

Seems to be as close to a Convention Disruption position as ACBL has taken officially? Anyone have experience with application of this (kind of obscurely located) regulation?

[barmar]

I found the first section on "PLAY" on the ACBL website at http://web2.acbl.org/coc/general.html.

[McBruce]

Not quite on topic, but almost related:

At a recent tournament in Seattle a 6-person team had two people credited with 0.25 wins, and the other four were credited with 0.13 wins (one-eighth of a win, rounded to the nearest hundredth). Any guesses on how this could happen? Four round Monday evening-Tuesday all day KO.

Spoiler

They began in a three team round robin, two teams to advance, so two 12-board matches with a comparison of both matches after two 6-board segments. They lost one of the matches and tied the other, with one pair playing all 24 boards, and the other pairs playing the first or the second half. So the pairs that played only one half (6 boards in each match) got nothing for the loss, and a half-win for the tie, divided by two because it was only a half-match (12 boards) and divided by two again because they only played one of the two segments! One eighth of a win!

The punchline was that the pair that sat out the second half was recruited to fill a sudden hole (I forget how it happened, but both players disappeared!) in the pairs game. KO players in the top bracket take far less time to play 12 boards and compare two matches, so when they sat down it was well before the halfway point of the pairs game. The score they inherited from the pair that disappeared was not as bad as one might expect, because they made the overalls! The TDs originally decided to make them ineligible for the overall masterpoint award, but gave them the section award, which was significantly greater than the award for one-eighth of a win. However, I think eventually this too was changed so they were only given the (smaller) team game award.

This post has been edited by barmar: 2012-September-07, 09:35
Reason for edit: Replaced the long spoiler space with the forum's spoiler style