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Lead vs 3NT Three jacks

#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2012-November-09, 18:18

Your lead? Does it make any difference if RHO tanked before bidding 2NT?

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Posted 2012-November-09, 18:28

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Posted 2012-November-09, 19:04

Count me in for what struck me, when I saw the hand, as the automatic spade 9.

The J is the worst honour from which to lead.

The opps are going to play almost double dummy anyway, but holding off on leading from a red J may limit their options/hand reading. And there is no reason partner doesn't hold 4 spades, and when he doesn't, we're giving up nothing but a tempo. Other suits risk losing a trick as well as a tempo.
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Posted 2012-November-12, 03:26

A slow 2N here normally means they were considering 1dx. :). It can also mean they don't have a good diamond stop. :)

I don't mind a diamond or a spade here. Spade is passive, but if partner has the 11-13 NT passive might not be very helpful, as we may just lack enough tricks to beat 3N. Besides, if partner has natural diamonds, we may need to get started right away.
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Posted 2012-November-12, 03:46

A slow 2NT probably just means that he doesn't know how many points he's showing.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-November-12, 08:36

If partner has 11-13 Balanced is this contract ever going down?

Although I don't feel strongly about it, leading a diamond seems like the only chance you have to hit partner's 5c suit so I'd try that.
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Posted 2012-November-12, 11:01

♠9 seems to be a standout...
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Posted 2012-November-12, 11:29

At mps a spade, but at imps always a diamond.
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Posted 2012-November-13, 02:01

I don't think we should lead any of our jack-suits, because we want declarer to finesse into them. If partner has a balanced 11-count, that's fine - it means that there are three honour cards that declarer can misplace.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-November-18, 18:27

Am I he only one even tempted by the JC? On MickyB's method's, P could systemically be (233)5 (maybe 2245? not sure about that), so Cs looks most likely to be his 5 card suit. This contract doesn't look like it's going off on a passive defence...
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Posted 2012-November-18, 18:52

 Jinksy, on 2012-November-18, 18:27, said:

Am I he only one even tempted by the JC?


Yes.
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Posted 2012-November-18, 21:23

 MickyB, on 2012-November-09, 18:18, said:

Your lead? Does it make any difference if RHO tanked before bidding 2NT?



If rho has something like Kxx xx AQTxx Qxx I think there is little doubt they would pass the
original x to try and slaughter the vulnerable opps. I think the 2n is more likely a single dia
stopper than a bunch of dia so go for the lead that seems to offer the best chance for success
and lead a small dia.
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Posted 2012-November-19, 07:12

Opponents avoided Majors, likely because partner has four of them. So S9.
Even though this seems a tempest in a teapot- we ain't setting this one.
Just defend as cooperatively as we can - let us be surprised if.
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Posted 2012-November-20, 05:40

 gnasher, on 2012-November-12, 03:46, said:

A slow 2NT probably just means that he doesn't know how many points he's showing.


This is what I thought at the table. A spade was no good, a diamond would've done the business, they have Qx in dummy Kxx in hand. LHO was a pro, surprised he didn't protect with 1NT tbh [AKJx Txx Q9 QT8x].
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