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Premier League hand 7 the last of this series

Poll: 5 over 5? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call here?

  1. Pass (10 votes [62.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  2. Double (3 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  3. 5S (3 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2014-January-08, 19:19

I forgot to mention this one earlier. This was the first hand of the night (was a pretty interesting series of boards).



Your call here?

edit: hand corrected
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Posted 2014-January-08, 19:41

Are you sure that you have given us the correct hand?
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Posted 2014-January-08, 19:45

Oops, all those hearts are meant to be diamonds, will fix now
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Posted 2014-January-09, 00:27

I would double, but it would be takeout-ish with some defense. Partner should realize we have some shape, as does RHO.

On a side note (and hoping not to get the thread off track or piss off OP), why do you think Man U is doing so poorly Wayne?
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Posted 2014-January-09, 02:43

Out of curiosity, what was west bidding 4NT on (or maybe what was West on) ?
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Posted 2014-January-09, 03:51

View Postmikestar13, on 2014-January-09, 02:43, said:

Out of curiosity, what was west bidding 4NT on (or maybe what was West on) ?


Probably lots of hearts and 4 clubs, distinguishing from 5♣ which would show at least 5
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Posted 2014-January-10, 00:56

PASS.
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Posted 2014-January-10, 12:16

ok now that I don't have 6 of their suit to the AQT pass is obvious
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Posted 2014-January-10, 14:03

View Postmanudude03, on 2014-January-08, 19:19, said:


I forgot to mention this one earlier. This was the first hand of the night (was a pretty interesting series of boards). Your call here?

IMO Pass = 10, Double = 8, 5♠ = 7. Not confident -- because, for many pairs, there is an implication that partner's pass is forcing after we've constructively reached a vulnerable game. For some, there is even an agreement to that effect. If so, partner's pass shows willingness to compete further and, perhaps, we should go on.
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Posted 2014-January-12, 10:24

Full hand below:



North at the table bid 5S. This ended up going -4 after the ace of hearts lead, crossing over in diamonds and playing a spade to the 8. 5H is -1 with careful defense.
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Posted 2014-January-12, 16:59

Leading dia A is the tuff part of this careful defense, but can be found. Not sure if i would lead it without 4 NT bid, now i may though, still not sure tbh. Ducking the ♠ K or jumping the ♠ A on ♠ 7 is the easy part, once you got the lead right.
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Posted 2014-January-12, 17:08

View Postmanudude03, on 2014-January-12, 10:24, said:

Full hand below:



North at the table bid 5S. This ended up going -4 after the ace of hearts lead, crossing over in diamonds and playing a spade to the 8. 5H is -1 with careful defense.

There is a mistake in the auction, surely South doubled 5♥?
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Posted 2014-January-12, 17:16

No mistake on this hand, South did pass. The other tables result was 5HX-2.
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Posted 2014-January-13, 05:09

View Postmanudude03, on 2014-January-12, 17:16, said:

No mistake on this hand, South did pass. The other tables result was 5HX-2.

That was a joke! (Making the point that South should double.)

Anyway, the most important part about about this auction is to know whether you play pass as forcing. If you do, then I think North's 5♠ bid becomes very reasonable (and South's pass becomes horrible). If you don't, then South's pass is probably not best, and neither is North's 5♠ bid.
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