[manudude03]

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The pips are approximate (this was at a bidding table so cannot recall the hands exactly), but all the cards down to the 9 are right. What's your call here? (and no, no fit jumps were available last round)

[Fluffy]

I would bid 6♦, but that tell everybody that I have spade void, so depending on opponents, I would throw here or there a 4NT bid before.

[the hog]

Fluffy, on 2014-January-28, 22:09, said:

I would bid 6♦, but that tell everybody that I have spade void, so depending on opponents, I would throw here or there a 4NT bid before.

I like this idea.

[MinorKid]

Total CCV is around 35~37 (w'b more if p has six+ card) . So it is between 6♦ and 7♦. 36+ is ok for a grand slam.

IMO 6♦=10 ; 5♠=10 ; 4NT=9 ; 5♦=7 ; 7♦=6.

[ahydra]

6D looks great until partner puts down xxx x AKJxxx QJx :/

Still, RHO might not lead clubs, and we've nowhere else to go, so (4NT followed by) 6D it is.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

MinorKid, on 2014-January-29, 07:27, said:

Total CCV is around 35~37 (w'b more if p has six+ card) . So it is between 6♦ and 7♦. 36+ is ok for a grand slam.

IMO 6♦=10 ; 5♠=10 ; 4NT=9 ; 7♦=6.

I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it.

[Zelandakh]

ahydra, on 2014-January-29, 07:55, said:

6D looks great until partner puts down xxx x AKJxxx QJx :/

You are being kind - could also be ♠xx ♥Qx ♦ AKJTxx ♣Jxx.

[MinorKid]

Cyberyeti said:

I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it.

I agree we'd get a spade lead after 4NT.

Yep, 5♠ leads us nowhere assumed that we will never get ♠A, the biddings support this assumption.

I'd consider grand if I had been given one more heart carder, but still I would had started 4NT.

[MrAce]

I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ?

[Zelandakh]

MrAce, on 2014-January-30, 13:06, said:

I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ?

4NT is always RKCB, right? especially if 4♣ is not available.

[Fluffy]

MrAce, on 2014-January-30, 13:06, said:

I have a question for 4 NT bidders. What does 4 NT actually ask/show in your pdship ?

It means what I want it to mean every time of course, and this time it is KCB

[manudude03]

Partner on this board had xxx Q AKxxxx Kxx, and there's no ruffs going so 6D was easy, make the king of clubs the ace and it's cold for 7

[MinorKid]

Fluffy, on 2014-January-31, 04:38, said:

It means what I want it to mean every time of course, and this time it is KCB

If you were to have stopper in their suit, would you really want to be in 4NT or defend ?

[MinorKid]

manudude03, on 2014-January-31, 17:47, said:

Partner on this board had xxx Q AKxxxx Kxx, and there's no ruffs going so 6D was easy, make the king of clubs the ace and it's cold for 7

And the ♣A was in west... wasn't it?

Therefore jumping to 7♦ after Blackwood(?!) sounds good provided we have the ♥Q.

[manudude03]

MinorKid, on 2014-February-06, 19:57, said:

And the ♣A was in west... wasn't it?

Therefore jumping to 7♦ after Blackwood(?!) sounds good provided we have the ♥Q.

Not that it matters in 6D, but yes it was

[gszes]

If I am playing strong jump shifts my failure to bid 2h over 1d would make 4n an unmistakeable

rkc for diamonds. If not playing SJS then I cannot be sure partner will not take my 4n as asking

about hearts. That may not sound like a problem at first but imagine partner replying to 4n

(thinking hearts) and then we suddenly bid 6d and they have the dia K hmmmmm are you sure

they will not try 7?? I am not and the possible confusion factor would keep me from bidding 4n.

Preempts work keep doing them. BTW I think 6D is a very reasonable compromise bid under

the circumstances.

[gnasher]

In my world 4NT is two places to play. I'd bid it with something like x AKJxxx Qx xxxx.

I don't think 6♦ particularly implies a spade void, but I like Fluffy's idea of bidding Blackwood.

[mcphee]

I am passing on the idea of 13 tricks although it is possible partner might have the right hand. The key card idea has merit but the flaw there is it becomes easy for my LHO to bid C lead direct having already located a spade save. I like the blast for this reason only.

[MinorKid]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-January-29, 07:59, said:

I think you're overestimating the chance of grand, even if you're not missing the ace of clubs, something like Qx, xx, AKJ10xx, Axx is still not great. I dislike 5♠ particularly at pairs where you will not make the overtrick in 6 opposite xxx, Q, AKxxxx, KQx that you might have made by blasting it.

How often is there a honor in the three spades drawn from 13 spade-deck? 29% < --- wrong!

Edited: 71%
Therefore chance for grand is not Good w absolute minimum.

[Zelandakh]

MinorKid, on 2014-February-14, 04:16, said:

How often is there a honor in the three spades drawn from 13 spade-deck? 29%

Ignoring the auction, the chance of one or more honours from 3 cards is 1 - ((8.7.6)/(13.12.11)) ~= 80%. I assume your 29% is the calculation for no picture honour (with odds of one appearing being ~71%) but even if you are calculating something else entirely I am not absolutely certain why this calculation is relevant. As an example, the actual hand had no spade honour from 3 but no play for 7. Add the ♠J and change ♣K to the ace and the grand makes. So how does this bring us forward?

Just as an aside, the chance of drawing an honour from a single card is 5/13 = 38% so something must have tipped you off that 29% could not be correct for 3 cards surely?!